Florida cannot prosecute pilots

Florida cannot prosecute pilots

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/05/pi...ing/index.html

John Smith wrote:
Well, if they are prepared to continue flying drunk (and lets face it, with
blood 0.091, they were), hopefully they will not get their jobs back, from
anyone. Unsafe pilots should be grounded, end of story.


"Edward Todd" wrote in message
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Florida cannot prosecute pilots

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/05/pi...ing/index.html



Although the local authorties dont like to admit it, no State, city, or
county, has any authority to revoke , or suspend a pilots license.
Only the FAA can bust them.

Dave Butler wrote:
Not doubting what you say, but is there any public record where one can see FAA
certificate actions? Does this incident appear in that record? Thanks.

There is. I stumbled across it one day by accident, but I don't remember
the URL.

On 6 Aug 2003 08:08:54 -0700, (Captain Wubba)
wrote in Message-Id:
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Not only will they not get their jobs back, the FAA pulled their
tickets. Even though they probably won't go to jail, their careers are
*totally* over. They won't fly for anyone, at least not for years, and
even then it won't be for an airline. The only uniform these guys will
be wearing will say 'Burger King' on it.

I wonder what their chances of landing a job with Mexicana might be?
I wouldn't expect obtaining a Mexican Airmans Certificate to be too
difficult.
--

Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,

kevin wrote in message news:Dj8Ya.79936$uu5.8446@sccrnsc04...
John Smith wrote:
Well, if they are prepared to continue flying drunk (and lets face it, with
blood 0.091, they were), hopefully they will not get their jobs back, from
anyone. Unsafe pilots should be grounded, end of story.


"Edward Todd" wrote in message
...

Florida cannot prosecute pilots

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/05/pi...ing/index.html



Although the local authorties dont like to admit it, no State, city, or
county, has any authority to revoke , or suspend a pilots license.
Only the FAA can bust them.


Indeed. And she isn't trying to do this. They were being prosecuted
under *state* law barring the operation of an aircraft while drunk.
The feds have already done their thing...these guys had their tickets
revoked, and will likely never fly again professionally. All the judge
was doing was determining if the state could nail them under state law
also.

"Captain Wubba" wrote in message
om...
Indeed. And she isn't trying to do this. They were being prosecuted
under *state* law barring the operation of an aircraft while drunk.
The feds have already done their thing...these guys had their tickets
revoked, and will likely never fly again professionally. All the judge
was doing was determining if the state could nail them under state law
also.

Double jeopardy?

Captain Wubba wrote:


Not only will they not get their jobs back, the FAA pulled their
tickets. Even though they probably won't go to jail, their careers are
*totally* over. They won't fly for anyone, at least not for years, and
even then it won't be for an airline. The only uniform these guys will
be wearing will say 'Burger King' on it.

The first guy that everybody remembers to get his ticket pulled for
flying drunk, Capt. Prouse of Northwest Airlines, got back in the left
seat of a NWA 747 before he retired. So it has already happened and
will probably happen again.

Captain,

In general, you're correct. However, there has been at least one
airline captain who managed to get his life straightened out after
alcoholism, getting busted,prison and a lot of self evaluation. A NWA
captain did get his position back in circumstances that were
completely appropriate. He served prison time, realized he'd been a
screwup, straightened out, and was leading a completely straight life
with extensive volunteer work for aviation groups. His friends saw
the change and pressed the airline, getting his job back, many, many
years later.

People do screw up. Some of them recognize it and make corrections.
It would be interesting to see what happens with these folks. In this
day and age we are pretty quick to condemn everyone, no matter what.

Despite the hype, there hasn't been an airline accident in which
alcohol or drugs was even considered a factor in decades. Maybe that
goes to prove that airliners are really easy to fly g.

All the best,
Rick

(Captain Wubba) wrote in message . com...
"John Smith" wrote in message . ..
Well, if they are prepared to continue flying drunk (and lets face it, with
blood 0.091, they were), hopefully they will not get their jobs back, from
anyone. Unsafe pilots should be grounded, end of story.


"Edward Todd" wrote in message
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Florida cannot prosecute pilots

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/05/pi...ing/index.html

Not only will they not get their jobs back, the FAA pulled their
tickets. Even though they probably won't go to jail, their careers are
*totally* over. They won't fly for anyone, at least not for years, and
even then it won't be for an airline. The only uniform these guys will
be wearing will say 'Burger King' on it.

Pilots did NOT fly.

Can they be hung for intent? If so, I know a bunch of Democrats that
would be in jail for their thoughts on GW.

I'll bet a good lawyer can get them off. If they had let then take off
then they would have been flying under the influence but 'push
back'????

Even if they taxied the plane, is there any rule that says they have
to be sober to do so???

Looks like a good pro bono case for some lawyer to make his bones.

Big John

Would you pour me one for the road please?



On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:00:29 -0500, Edward Todd
wrote:

Florida cannot prosecute pilots

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/05/pi...ing/index.html

"Big John" wrote in message

Pilots did NOT fly.

Can they be hung for intent? If so, I know a bunch of Democrats that
would be in jail for their thoughts on GW.

I'll bet a good lawyer can get them off. If they had let then take off
then they would have been flying under the influence but 'push
back'????

The FARs don't require flight for there to be a violation: FAR 91.17:
"(a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil
aircraft ..."