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Old August 5th 07, 06:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
Henry J Cobb
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Default Submarine aircraft carrier in 2010?

Has anybody considered equipping one of the SSGNs with a full squadron
of Cormorant MPUAVs?

The biggest problem I see with it is how do you refuel and rearm them
while submerged?

-HJC
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Old August 6th 07, 09:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
Charlie Wolf
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Default Submarine aircraft carrier in 2010?

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:45:36 -0700, Henry J Cobb wrote:

Has anybody considered equipping one of the SSGNs with a full squadron
of Cormorant MPUAVs?

The biggest problem I see with it is how do you refuel and rearm them
while submerged?

In the hangar bay with the wings folded, of course.



Regards,


-HJC
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Old August 6th 07, 11:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
Keith Willshaw[_2_]
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"Henry J Cobb" wrote in message
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Has anybody considered equipping one of the SSGNs with a full squadron of
Cormorant MPUAVs?


Apart from DARPA you mean

The biggest problem I see with it is how do you refuel and rearm them
while submerged?


Actually thats the easy bit

The challenges are aircraft structural integrity and water tightness ,
aircraft dynamics
at the air/sea interface, engine technology to survive periodic immersion in
salt water,
and advanced composite materials development to withstand sea-surface
operations.

Pumping gas isnt exactly a new problem

Keith


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Old August 7th 07, 02:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
Bill Kambic
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Default Submarine aircraft carrier in 2010?

On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:03:52 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
wrote:


"Henry J Cobb" wrote in message
...
Has anybody considered equipping one of the SSGNs with a full squadron of
Cormorant MPUAVs?


Apart from DARPA you mean

The biggest problem I see with it is how do you refuel and rearm them
while submerged?


Actually thats the easy bit

The challenges are aircraft structural integrity and water tightness ,
aircraft dynamics
at the air/sea interface, engine technology to survive periodic immersion in
salt water,
and advanced composite materials development to withstand sea-surface
operations.

Pumping gas isnt exactly a new problem


The problem is not the aircraft or their handling; the Japanese proved
that.

The problem is when the pig boat is on the surface it wears a big sign
that says "TARGET." Subs are tough as nails, but ANY breach of the
hull means they're "toast." How long is the cycle from surface to
prep to launch to dive? Then they get to do it again for recovery. I
don't think your Mark I Mod 0 submariner is going to be all that
interested in the program. ;-)

Remember, too, that while conventional boats traditionally could dive
quickly a nuke takes several minutes (both up and down).

For occational special ops this might be a viable plan (a launch of a
disposeable vehicle). But recover, refuel, and relaunch? Probably
not.

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Old August 7th 07, 09:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
Henry J Cobb
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Default Submarine aircraft carrier in 2010?

Bill Kambic wrote:
The problem is not the aircraft or their handling; the Japanese proved
that.

The problem is when the pig boat is on the surface it wears a big sign
that says "TARGET." Subs are tough as nails, but ANY breach of the
hull means they're "toast." How long is the cycle from surface to
prep to launch to dive? Then they get to do it again for recovery. I
don't think your Mark I Mod 0 submariner is going to be all that
interested in the program. ;-)

Remember, too, that while conventional boats traditionally could dive
quickly a nuke takes several minutes (both up and down).

For occational special ops this might be a viable plan (a launch of a
disposeable vehicle). But recover, refuel, and relaunch? Probably
not.


Here's where the neat stuff comes in.

The Cormorant MPUAV launches and recovers while the mothership is submerged.

-HJC
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Old August 10th 07, 07:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
Jeroen Wenting
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Here's where the neat stuff comes in.

The Cormorant MPUAV launches and recovers while the mothership is
submerged.


I wonder what the water filling the hangardeck during flightops would do to
the stability of the ship...


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Old August 17th 07, 09:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
niceguy
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Default Submarine aircraft carrier in 2010?


"Jeroen Wenting" jwenting at hornet dot demon dot nl wrote in message
ll.nl...


Here's where the neat stuff comes in.

The Cormorant MPUAV launches and recovers while the mothership is
submerged.


I wonder what the water filling the hangardeck during flightops would do
to the stability of the ship...

I've heard that there's no such thing as a stupid question.
Well, you just disproved that.


 




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