Best Single Pilot IFR Plane

but that spot has pavement, electricity, plumbing, drainage and so on.
So comparing an airport or just the tiedown area to empty vacent land is not the
same. 2 different animals even without the story book problems. It was also
confusing because you only mentioned one tiedown spot, but now you sound like
you own the entire ramp (all 60 spots). If you do not own all 60 tiedowns then
trying to figure out how many would fit in a 2.5 acre's still does not make
sense because it really has nothing to do with buying land since its not for
commericial purposes.

Craig Prouse wrote:

"Jeff" wrote:

I was not able to see the math you did on the 400k , you pay taxes on your
tiedown spot, but you didnt say how much yearly.

Schools fail to emphasize that without the facility to solve "story
problems," there is not really any point in teaching arithmetic.

You don't need to know the size of my tax bill to figure the value of the
land. You just need to figure out how many of my tiedown spots would fit in
2.5 acres, then multiply by the value of the tiedown spot. I hinted at that
when I specified the number of sets of tiedowns.

Your tie down spot for your airplane is different then someone who is
purchasing a home or land.

That's not to say that the other two "R"s have not suffered as well.

I had been wanting to get a hanger, they told me the deposit was $10,000 with the
remainder $90,000 due upon completion. you have to buy the damn things, surprised
the hell out of me. I didnt need a hanger that bad.

Dan Truesdell wrote:

After reading this thread, I'm glad I live where I do (CNH). Although
we do have to deal with New England weather, I don't think you can buy a
house for $350K. You'd have to get a house, a bunch of land, and maybe
another small house. As for the airport, fuel is self-serve at $2.45
something, and T-hangar space is $120/month (that's not a typo). I
share a 172 with 4 others. Can't fly for much cheaper than that. (Of
course, a nicer/faster/better plane would always be a good thing.)

Dan

Jeff wrote:
We are looking for land right now so my wife can get another horse, she has to
board hers at a stable and she does not like doing it.
Land in vegas is way way over priced. So 350k for 2.5 acres, if it had a house
on it, would not be bad at all. 2.5 acres with nothing on it...not a chance.

Kevin wrote:


Jeff wrote:

starts at 350k?
is that just the land or the house also?


That is just for a lot approx 2.5 Acres. That would buy you a nice bird !


Kevin wrote:



Jeff wrote:


maybe you should list a price range you was wanting answers for
check out what John Travoltas flies
http://www.ipilot.com/forum/message....id=42554#42554


You bet, lots in the airpark he lives in start at $350K.

/www.jumbolair.com/



Charles Talleyrand wrote:




There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?




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3 acres...that made my wife jelous
thats a really good price for all that.

Jeff

Maule Driver wrote:



I'm glad I'm where I am too... hopefully most of us are. I'm at 8nc8. No
NE weather but we have summer. Grass but the price is right. $350k put me
on the runway with a home and a 2500' hangar on 3 acres. Only expense is
low property taxes and a nominal homeowners fee. Our private fuel is up to
about $2.35 now and we have JetA (!!). Sometimes we forget how nice it is.

\

We actually have a waiting list for hangar space. We have 6 T-hangars
and 1 community hanger with space for 6 airplanes. The city owns the
airport, and does not wish to fund any new hangars (even though they
would pay for themselves in 6 or 7 years). One could lease a spot on
the airport fairly cheaply and build a privately-owned hangar, but New
Hampshire unfortunately is stuck in the dark ages, and almost all of the
city's funds come from property tax. (The state taxes your property,
too. It's a mentality from the 19th century, and why we pay our state
reps $100/year. All 400 of them.) So a nice $300K set of T-hangars
will cost you about $10K per year just in taxes. I know that sounds
cheap to someone in LA, NY or BOS, but that's a lot to swallow here.
It's a bit frustrating as any addition to the airport would be
beneficial. I happy to have our hangar, but I can see why others are a
bit put off by the situation.



Jeff wrote:
I had been wanting to get a hanger, they told me the deposit was $10,000 with the
remainder $90,000 due upon completion. you have to buy the damn things, surprised
the hell out of me. I didnt need a hanger that bad.

Dan Truesdell wrote:


After reading this thread, I'm glad I live where I do (CNH). Although
we do have to deal with New England weather, I don't think you can buy a
house for $350K. You'd have to get a house, a bunch of land, and maybe
another small house. As for the airport, fuel is self-serve at $2.45
something, and T-hangar space is $120/month (that's not a typo). I
share a 172 with 4 others. Can't fly for much cheaper than that. (Of
course, a nicer/faster/better plane would always be a good thing.)

Dan

Jeff wrote:

We are looking for land right now so my wife can get another horse, she has to
board hers at a stable and she does not like doing it.
Land in vegas is way way over priced. So 350k for 2.5 acres, if it had a house
on it, would not be bad at all. 2.5 acres with nothing on it...not a chance.

Kevin wrote:



Jeff wrote:


starts at 350k?
is that just the land or the house also?


That is just for a lot approx 2.5 Acres. That would buy you a nice bird !



Kevin wrote:




Jeff wrote:



maybe you should list a price range you was wanting answers for
check out what John Travoltas flies
http://www.ipilot.com/forum/message....id=42554#42554


You bet, lots in the airpark he lives in start at $350K.

/www.jumbolair.com/




Charles Talleyrand wrote:





There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?


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On 3 Dec 2003 13:06:02 -0800, (Snowbird)
wrote:

"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message ...
There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?

Charles,

I think you have two separate issues here.

1) single pilot IFR (subsidiary issue for a low time pilot)

2) schedule to make

A plane which is good for 1), especially for a low time pilot,
will be stable and relatively forgiving. Something like a
C182, maybe a C182TR.

A plane which is good for 2) will have known ice capability,
weather detection such as radar, service ceiling to climb above
some wx, and two engines.


There are a couple of singles that will do this, but they cost way
more than a light pressurized twin.

One is the TBM-700 at a bit over 2 million (as I recall) and there is
another, not quite a pretty, but very capable. It and the TBM-700 are
very much alike.

Single pilot, capable, reliable, long range, and speed in the 300 knot
range.

and in the $2 million dollar plus range.


A plane which will allow 2) may not be good for 1), especially
for a low time pilot.

I'd change that "may not be" to "most likely won't be" :-))
It doesn't matter what they are flying, it would be a very rare low
time pilot who could keep any kind of scheduled series of IFR
flights.. I just don't think it'd be practical.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com


A plane which will allow for 1) (especially for a low time
pilot) may not be good for 2)

FWIW,
Sydney

wrote in message
...
Piaggio Avanti P180 -

41,000 Feet

If its cold and you are light.

390 knots high speed Cruise - but normally about 360-365 at 330


If its cold


1700 + nm Range w/ IFR reserves

Not likely. NBAA IFR range is listed at 1400nm and again only at ISA.

Burns around 280/side at altitude (410)


But you can't reach 410 very often because it is usually ISA+10

We can do SF or L. Angeles to NJ non-stop with a nice tailwind...

No way.

Can land on a 2300 foot runway if you're good

Piaggio claims 3000' at sea level and 77F (ISA+10) anyway you couldn't take
off again.


Perfect safety record - Never an injury or fatality -

Only a few ezamples flying

Paul P

In spite of the above, it is one of the best from a number of standpoints.
I have come close to buying one twice.

Mike
MU-2

"Kevin" wrote in message
news:Sk7zb.283941$ao4.994900@attbi_s51...
Jeff wrote:
maybe you should list a price range you was wanting answers for
check out what John Travoltas flies
http://www.ipilot.com/forum/message....id=42554#42554

You bet, lots in the airpark he lives in start at $350K.

/www.jumbolair.com/


Yeah, and check out who owns the development-- the original "nautilus babe"
and revlon model, who's also type-rated in 707 and 747! (IIRC)

I posted pix of Travolta's house over on alt.binaries.pictures.aviation...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
I had been wanting to get a hanger, they told me the deposit was $10,000
with the
remainder $90,000 due upon completion. you have to buy the damn things,
surprised
the hell out of me. I didnt need a hanger that bad.

Think of it as a real estate investment.

I went back to read about her and damn, she accomplished alot before she was 25
yrs old!


John Clonts wrote:


Yeah, and check out who owns the development-- the original "nautilus babe"
and revlon model, who's also type-rated in 707 and 747! (IIRC)

I posted pix of Travolta's house over on alt.binaries.pictures.aviation...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas

In rec.aviation.owning Peter wrote:

: Cheaper than marriage? Certainly. Very hard to combine the two at any
: decent level (of aircraft) because a wife likes to have a similar
: amount spent on her, thus doubling the cost of flying. Unless you can
: find a flying wife, or a wife with a substantial independent income -
: very rare!

This is so true. A friend of mine has a non-flying wife. He just had his
plane painted (by Keyson, at KASH, very nice job). When asked how much
it cost, his reply is "Oh, a living room set, first floor bathroom
remodeled, new drapes, ..."
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Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)