IMC without an autopilot

I found sliding the donuts on the abacus to be much easier than
shoveling coal.


Used to do that but the abacus didn't last very long. I'm now on weight
watchers.

On the plus side, that's how I discovered imaginary numbers.

Jose

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Naw, real programmers use switches and LEDs for programming.

LED's? Well, lah dee dah! How fancy schmancy!

Look guys, you keep this up and I'm gonna have to tell you about what we
did before we even had electricity. You wanted to add two numbers, you
had to get up at 5 in the morning and start shoveling coal into the
computer.

Coal? You had coal?

We had to go out with a stone axe and cut wood for the abacus.

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"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Naw, real programmers use switches and LEDs for programming.

LED's? Well, lah dee dah! How fancy schmancy!


Look guys, you keep this up and I'm gonna have to tell you about what we
did before we even had electricity. You wanted to add two numbers, you
had to get up at 5 in the morning and start shoveling coal into the
computer.

I found sliding the donuts on the abacus to be much easier than
shoveling coal.


'Cept if those donuts were Krispy Kreme's they'd get eaten before you got
the answer.

Bob Noel wrote
In my opinion, anyone who can't handle a reroute or find and brief an
approach in IMC while hand-flying (meaning without A/P) has no
business flying IFR anyway.

big difference between taking advantage of and needing...

For a while, anyway...

Michael

Tom Sixkiller wrote:
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Roy Smith wrote:

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(Brien K. Meehan) wrote:



"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Naw, real programmers use switches and LEDs for programming.

LED's? Well, lah dee dah! How fancy schmancy!


Look guys, you keep this up and I'm gonna have to tell you about what we
did before we even had electricity. You wanted to add two numbers, you
had to get up at 5 in the morning and start shoveling coal into the
computer.

I found sliding the donuts on the abacus to be much easier than
shoveling coal.



'Cept if those donuts were Krispy Kreme's they'd get eaten before you got
the answer.



Still beats shoveling coal!

Matt

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(Michael) wrote:

In my opinion, anyone who can't handle a reroute or find and brief an
approach in IMC while hand-flying (meaning without A/P) has no
business flying IFR anyway.

big difference between taking advantage of and needing...

For a while, anyway...

for some, but not everyone.

btw - if you don't practice with the a/p regularly, you might as well
remove it from the airplane.

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Bob Noel

Bob Noel wrote
For a while, anyway...
for some, but not everyone.

Everyone is different. Some people lose their IFR skills if they
don't practice regularly. Others can spend half a year flying VFR
only, get into an unfamiliar complex airplane, and be comfortably
shooting approaches to minimums. It's not fair, but that's the way it
is.

btw - if you don't practice with the a/p regularly, you might as well
remove it from the airplane.

I think that depends a lot on the pilot and the autopilot. If you
have someone who is not gadget-oriented and has a modern autopilot
with many features, you're right. On the other hand, take someone who
could build an autopilot if he had to and a simple autopilot with few
features, and the occasional use in visual conditions is plenty.

Michael

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The other problem with autopilots are they do go on the fritz, often
without
warning. Then, you can easily wind up fighting with you autopilot.
The
systems are set up so that you should be able to "outmuscle" the
autopilot
but they can be insidious. For example, a failing autopilot gyro will
slowly lean over most of the time. The autopilot will happily follow
the
leaning gyro and put you into an interesting attitude that you have to
recover from, hopefully after disabling the autopilot, on partial panel.

If you don't know three ways of disabling the AP, you shouldn't use it.
Even
more, most current AP's have fault detection warnings.

Fighting with the autopilot to disconnect it is dangerous.

yes tarver, whereas pulling the breaker is a lot safer.

****.

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Tarver Engineering wrote:

Fighting with the autopilot to disconnect it is dangerous.

Not in an L-1011 it isn't.

Only if you want to be unemployed, others use the disconnect switch.

mmm yes of course you idiot. and the plane is going to do what when you disconnect?

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Tarver Engineering wrote:


The Eastern airlines accident was traced to the pilot never engaging the
autopilot. The training failure that caused Eastern's pilots to cause
such
a crash was their arrogant attatude toward flying and their tendancy to
get
drunk and go play golf when they were supposed to be attending training
at
the Manufacturer.

You're so full of it Trav.

Not me.

The Eastern operator did not hold the AP engage button in long enough for it
to engage and the airplane flew into the ground. I agree with Lockheed and
having lived in the AV, I am quite aware of Eastern's drunk in the evening
and golfing through the day pilots.


no match for you being drunk 24/7 eh splaps boy.