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Stanford Korwin wrote:
Mr. Beres has responded (in Polish) to questions on the Polish gliding website regarding Mr. Naresh's complaint. As I interpret his comments, he did not consider Mr. Naresh to be sufficiently experienced on high performance sailplanes to undertake a trial flight on the Diana safely - particularly as Mr. Naresh was not familiar with the site and in, apparently, not ideal meteorological conditions. A statement from the organiser of these trial flights (in Germany and Switzerland) is promised today. If it is in English, I will supply the website address. If in Polish, I will summarise his comments. Unless I am requested not to do so. sta13. Just a quick update, I've added a photograph of the NOT IDEAL METEOROLOGICAL conditions on the site. I'll have another one with the limp windsock shortly. |
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Thanks for nice words, but you are wrong.
I believe that group will hear the other side story soon. Mark |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:45:17 UTC, "Udo Rumpf"
wrote: It is none of your business. It is only between him and the group that put on the demo by invitation only. Could that not be said about the whole sorry business? If one part of one side is made public I think it is reasonable to ask for fuller details from both sides, or simply to conclude that it sounds very unfortunate but we are not in a position to judge anyine. Ian -- |
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The first ever presentation of brand new Diana 2 was of considerable
success and a thoroughly positive event, nevertheless there was fog in the morning and few hours of sunshine only. Until now only the competition pilots Janusz Centka and Sebastian Kawa and the two other test pilots of BPB (Bogumil Beres' production company of Diana 2) had been flying. Now for the first time ever customers had the unique chance to fly the new Diana 2. We started in Germany (the country with the strongest glider community) in the Swabian Jura in Aalen-Elchingen where the rate of glider pilots per square meter is the highest in the world. Pilots who flew Diana 2 - the dream glider to many - finished the flights with a smile of satisfaction on the face. The testing customers were positively thrilled about the way Diana 2 is flying. Some feedback: the glider is easy to fly and also safe. None of the pilots (among them also competition pilots and instructors) could make the glider spin or stall completely. The view out of the cockpit is unprecedented - so far no other glider can boast of such an incredible - wide view from the cockpit (both forward and backward). The Vice-World Champion Yvonne Schwarz could even see the rudder from the cockpit. She said "It's like sitting in a swimming pool", "I'm not flying, I'm just in the air". Also the glider shows the pilot in a fine way where the thermal is standing. (On the first day there where some week ones). With such positive feedback from all those who had the chance to fly Diana 2 it is understandable that those who couldn't feel unhappy about. Despite being easy to fly and handle we should still remember that Diana 2 is a high performance sailplane demanding a little bit more than just basic knowledge of flying. I believe it is more reasonable not to allow somebody to fly it then face all the possible tragic consequences of an accident. Therefore saying "no" at the last moment was not a matter of trying to humiliate Mr. Sharma by any means as he claims - but protecting both, the person and the glider. It's also worth mentioning that our decision was confirmed by the local gliding instructor who shared our doubts. Mr Sharma said to me personally that he had only 200 hours and no experience on racing class gliders. Our decision was not based on personal preferences but on extreme caution and common sense. Safety is the most important issue in our sport. There are some examples of crashes during presentations of gliders. We are sorry that Mr Sharma mistook safety priorities for a personal attack on his person. However I'm thankful to Mr. Sharma that he is stirring a discussion about the BPB dedication to safety matters. We pay a lot of attention not only to excellence in sailplane production but also to maximum safety of our clients. For those interested in more information about Diana 2 you can subscribe to my English and German speaking Newsletter by sending an email with "subscribe" to or just call me (+49-178-358 83 08). The pictures and detailed report from the first three days of test flying of customers will be on my webpage (English version coming soon) within the next days. I think that it is very easy to write something negative and by this damage our gliding sport. Instead we should be thankful to visionary people like Bogumil Beres who make the gliding sport go forward. Cheers Alexander Mueller www.dianasegelflugzeuge.com |
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Hi,
I agree with Udo. I respect that they may have been concerned about his experience, but then why did they let him come out to fly the glider and let him pay for a local checkout flight since they obviously had no intension of letting him fly. They started to put the glider away before his checkout flight. That was extremely rude. My guess is that they let him come out to see the glider and let him believe he would get a chance to fly it because they wanted him to see the glider so they could sell him one. It is much better to see a product first hand. Very misleading and questionable marketing practices. Just my opinion. Paul Remde "Udo Rumpf" wrote in message .. . It is none of your business. It is only between him and the group that put on the demo by invitation only. He was invited. Assessing some ones qualification is not done through log books only. It is only a part. The problem it appears lays with the organizers. They gave the pilot the run around. The decision should have been made to let him fly or not before he left his home. This group certainly should reimburse his expenses. If only for public relations. He has a right to be ****ed off about it. Udo Naresh, Would you please share with us: - What are your total glider hours flown as PIC ? - Total hours flown in gliders with L/D40. - Actual hours flown in gliders with L/D40 this year. You mentioned only having 4 log books and 1250 flights. Mark |
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Hi there,
I must agree with Paul and Udo. That was indeed very unprofessional and rude treatment of a potential customer. I think that Mr. Mueller is not very convincing in his statement about the "safety" issue. jk |
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Contrarywise, this is the perfect forum for airing this type of
dispute. The prospect of being judged in public forces the other side to respond, whereas otherwise they might simply shrug it off. How the other side conducts themselves provides useful information for members of the gliding public who may wish to deal with them in the future. |
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Lets be adult for a moment. What grounds other than actual safety of an
inexperienced pilot and the glider could there be behind the decision not to let Naresh fly? the whole discussion seems a bit childish, overly emotional frankly speaking The heated and hostile reaction of Naresh and above all rather far fetched assumptions about the glider itself in his blog suggest that perhaps he is a little too emotional about his skills and clearly has a problem with esteeming his abilities... Good pilots should be able to take a second look at themselves instead of reacting the way Naresh did. Gentleman - let's be men, not whining children who didn't get their candy. Olivier |
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I believe it is more reasonable not to allow somebody to fly it then
face all the possible tragic consequences of an accident. Therefore saying "no" at the last moment was not a matter of trying to humiliate Mr. Sharma by any means as he claims - but protecting both, the person and the glider. It's also worth mentioning that our decision was confirmed by the local gliding instructor who shared our doubts. Mr Sharma said to me personally that he had only 200 hours and no experience on racing class gliders. We need some facts... 1) Was this decision based on Mr Sharma's previous flying experience or on the results of his checkride ? 2) Is it true that by the time he landed the glider was already being disassembled ? Bartek |
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