Eurofighter is turning into German nightmare

From what I've learned (from aircrew who have seen/flown it) they hate it.
Its just too difficult to use for a single person. There was talk a while
ago, that the French forces were seriously considering changing their orders
to include a lot more twin seats? I vaguely remember they did actually order
another batch?

Eurofighter on the other hand, is by no means a perfect MMI, but is the
closest to it in the forthcoming aircraft
"Urban Fredriksson" wrote in message
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Ian Craig wrote:

Granted Rafale is in (limited) service, but its a
MMI nightmare!

I think the autopilot interface seems like a pretty smart
solution, is the rest worse designed? Something in particular
you had in mind?
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Uzytkownik "Jack Linthicum" napisal w
wiadomosci om...
(Michael Petukhov) wrote in message
. com...

there would have been little to no oversight in terms of
cost-to-use effectiveness. What was it that sage hero of Soviet
history,
Josef Stalin, said? "'Perfect' is the enemy of 'good enough'."

It is not Stalin proverb, rather general russian proverb.

So young, Mikhail, if Stalin used it it's a Stalin proverb.


In mid 80. IIRC one US engineer visited Aviation Institute (ILot) in Warsaw,
Poland. He was real Tex in stetson hut. He worked before in the team
designing heat-resistant cover for space shuttle. He used the same
expression. He claimed that if they wouldn't stop to play with new
inventions space shuttle wouldn't never fly.

Tell me - maybe it's Texan proverb? ;-8)

This is rather OT, so bye in this thread.

JasiekS
Warsaw, Poland

In message , Chad Irby
writes
In article ,
(Michael Petukhov) wrote:
But the first Eurofighters, which are now being delivered
considerably behind schedule, are virtually useless.

But... but... people here keep telling me that the Eurofighter is really
inexpensive, nearly perfect, and everyone in Europe is going to buy them
all!

Read some US GAO reports. According to them, the F/A-22 shakes itself to
pieces when it flies, fails every fifteen minutes, is escalating hugely
in cost, misses most of its performance requirements, has avionics that
simply don't work because of repeated unsolved software crashes, and is
inferior to the F-15 it's meant to replace.

Do you believe that? Or is there a core of truth in each claim that is
being wildly exaggerated and distorted to suit an agenda?


Not that journalists (or even analysts) will _ever_ write the story
their audience want to hear rather than honestly reporting the truth...

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
...
In message , Chad Irby
writes
In article ,
(Michael Petukhov) wrote:
But the first Eurofighters, which are now being delivered
considerably behind schedule, are virtually useless.

But... but... people here keep telling me that the Eurofighter is really
inexpensive, nearly perfect, and everyone in Europe is going to buy them
all!

Read some US GAO reports. According to them, the F/A-22 shakes itself to
pieces when it flies, fails every fifteen minutes, is escalating hugely
in cost, misses most of its performance requirements, has avionics that
simply don't work because of repeated unsolved software crashes, and is
inferior to the F-15 it's meant to replace.

The F-22 is slated for cancellation in FY05, unless a miracle occurs and the
problems are fixed. Odd that Paul should be posting information for which I
was thouroughly discredited at ram; years ago.

Do you believe that? Or is there a core of truth in each claim that is
being wildly exaggerated and distorted to suit an agenda?

Nope, Congress has warned the program of its immenent cancellation. The
F-22 is in real trouble both structurally and avionics wise.

Not that journalists (or even analysts) will _ever_ write the story
their audience want to hear rather than honestly reporting the truth...

The lunes of ram have a real problem accepting anything outside their own
childish fantasies.

In article ,
"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

The F-22 is slated for cancellation in FY05, unless a miracle occurs and the
problems are fixed. Odd that Paul should be posting information for which I
was thouroughly discredited at ram; years ago.

Since they have the production line running, it's a teeny bit late to
cancel it...

--


Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

The F-22 is slated for cancellation in FY05, unless a miracle occurs and
the
problems are fixed. Odd that Paul should be posting information for
which I
was thouroughly discredited at ram; years ago.

Since they have the production line running, it's a teeny bit late to
cancel it...

Yes it is, but Lockmart was able to block a Nyquist shake of the airframe
prior the program went to production; even though the responsible USAF
person tried to force the issue. Production had already begun before the
weapons integration went zero for three, this year, with the new joint
standoff munition. I think part of the credit for this monumental waste of
money has to go to the lunes of ram.

Fortunately, the F-35 is looking good.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message

In article ,
"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

The F-22 is slated for cancellation in FY05, unless a miracle occurs
and the problems are fixed. Odd that Paul should be posting
information for which I was thouroughly discredited at ram; years
ago.

Since they have the production line running, it's a teeny bit late to
cancel it...

Come on; it's Tarverworld - anything can happen! Words can mean letters,
definitions of aircraft parts can change, and sterno can become an
after-dinner cordial!

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I hate furries.

"Bill Silvey" wrote in message
...
"Chad Irby" wrote in message

In article ,
"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

The F-22 is slated for cancellation in FY05, unless a miracle occurs
and the problems are fixed. Odd that Paul should be posting
information for which I was thouroughly discredited at ram; years
ago.

Since they have the production line running, it's a teeny bit late to
cancel it...

Come on; it's Tarverworld - anything can happen! Words can mean letters,
definitions of aircraft parts can change, and sterno can become an
after-dinner cordial!

Speaking of the lunes of ram.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:28:36 +0100, Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message , Chad Irby
writes
In article ,
(Michael Petukhov) wrote:
But the first Eurofighters, which are now being delivered
considerably behind schedule, are virtually useless.

But... but... people here keep telling me that the Eurofighter is really
inexpensive, nearly perfect, and everyone in Europe is going to buy them
all!

Read some US GAO reports. According to them, the F/A-22 shakes itself to
pieces when it flies, fails every fifteen minutes, is escalating hugely
in cost, misses most of its performance requirements, has avionics that
simply don't work because of repeated unsolved software crashes, and is
inferior to the F-15 it's meant to replace.

Do you believe that?

The bit about software problems strikes true for me -- complex
software projects often overrun on time and cost.

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"Ian Craig" wrote in message ...
From what I've learned (from aircrew who have seen/flown it) they hate it.
Its just too difficult to use for a single person. There was talk a while
ago, that the French forces were seriously considering changing their orders
to include a lot more twin seats? I vaguely remember they did actually order
another batch?

The Frech navy had first planned to only buy single-seaters, but they
changed their order so now around half of the planes will be twin
seats.




Eurofighter on the other hand, is by no means a perfect MMI, but is the
closest to it in the forthcoming aircraft
"Urban Fredriksson" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ian Craig wrote:

Granted Rafale is in (limited) service, but its a
MMI nightmare!

I think the autopilot interface seems like a pretty smart
solution, is the rest worse designed? Something in particular
you had in mind?
--
Urban Fredriksson
Military aviation: Swedish military aviation, the rec.aviation.military
FAQ

http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/aviation/
Weblog
http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/aviation/avblog.html