MSDOS FS 5.1 runnable under Windows 2000/XP?

Feeling nostalgic... I installed FS 3, 5.1, and 98 again. I also have FS2, but that one I have only runs on a Commodore 64/128. And
my FS3 came on a single 720KB floppy. And boy is the detail in this version very barren! About only 8 buildings around Meigs
Downtown Chicago). Grant Park is just a yellow square, etc. And it uses CGA graphics and the silly PC speaker (buzzer) for sound.

Anyway my question is about running MSDOS FS5.1 under Windows 2000. I got it working under W98SE on this same machine. Although
under W98SE, FS5.1 complains when you set something (a display feature) that requires expanded memory, that I don't have any
(although I have 256MB worth of it which 64MB available for DOS). But if I go ahead and ignore the message, it seems to work just
fine anyway. Although the digitized sound can use either expanded or conventional memory. And there are many warnings (in the
manuals and in the software) that under Windows that digitized sound may crash if expanded memory is used. And it sure does.

Anyway back to Windows 2000. I guess I am not looking exactly how to do it (as I can figure it out and I don't want people to waste
too much time on it), but I am just wondering if anybody has ever gotten MSDOS FS 5.1 up and running under Windows 2000 ever? As the
requirements on the box states you need MSDOS 5 or higher. And Windows 2000/XP doesn't sport any real DOS (only through emulation).
Although the readme1.txt explains how to run under Windows 3.1, Windows 95, DR-DOS and OS/2 2.1 systems (and OS/2 doesn't sport a
real DOS either). Although I thought I saw something that mentioned about Windows NT too. But I can't find it now. Maybe that was
for another FS version that I was thinking of.

Anyway playing around with MSDOS FS 5.1 under Windows 98SE isn't as bad as I remembered. The graphics are better under FS98 of
course, but 5.1 is definitely still enjoyment to fly. And believe it or not, the Sopwith has brakes under 5.1. grin Although it
didn't have the Bell heli yet in this version.

Bill



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Hello Bill,

Try to search google for a dos and/or Commodore emulator, maybe this works.

Regards,

Redmar


"Bill Wolff" wrote in message
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Feeling nostalgic... I installed FS 3, 5.1, and 98 again. I also have FS2,
but that one I have only runs on a Commodore 64/128. And
my FS3 came on a single 720KB floppy. And boy is the detail in this
version very barren! About only 8 buildings around Meigs
Downtown Chicago). Grant Park is just a yellow square, etc. And it uses
CGA graphics and the silly PC speaker (buzzer) for sound.

Anyway my question is about running MSDOS FS5.1 under Windows 2000. I got
it working under W98SE on this same machine. Although
under W98SE, FS5.1 complains when you set something (a display feature)
that requires expanded memory, that I don't have any
(although I have 256MB worth of it which 64MB available for DOS). But if I
go ahead and ignore the message, it seems to work just
fine anyway. Although the digitized sound can use either expanded or
conventional memory. And there are many warnings (in the
manuals and in the software) that under Windows that digitized sound may
crash if expanded memory is used. And it sure does.

Anyway back to Windows 2000. I guess I am not looking exactly how to do it
(as I can figure it out and I don't want people to waste
too much time on it), but I am just wondering if anybody has ever gotten
MSDOS FS 5.1 up and running under Windows 2000 ever? As the
requirements on the box states you need MSDOS 5 or higher. And Windows
2000/XP doesn't sport any real DOS (only through emulation).
Although the readme1.txt explains how to run under Windows 3.1, Windows
95, DR-DOS and OS/2 2.1 systems (and OS/2 doesn't sport a
real DOS either). Although I thought I saw something that mentioned about
Windows NT too. But I can't find it now. Maybe that was
for another FS version that I was thinking of.

Anyway playing around with MSDOS FS 5.1 under Windows 98SE isn't as bad as
I remembered. The graphics are better under FS98 of
course, but 5.1 is definitely still enjoyment to fly. And believe it or
not, the Sopwith has brakes under 5.1. grin Although it
didn't have the Bell heli yet in this version.

Bill



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LOL

I played Sublogic's FS2 again not too long ago for nostalgia.

I'm not familiar with the lineage of MSFS, but did it evolve out of
Sublogic's FS?
I remember Sublogic's FS2 having been developed for most of the 8-biters
back "in the day".

I had FS2 for the Radio Shack TRS-80 "Color Computer 3". I still have the
original 5 1/4, the manuals, and the maps that came with it. I'm wasn't
about to dig out all the Coco stuff just to play it, but it worked well
enough through an emulator.

Pretty funny compared to today's capability.

"Bill Wolff" wrote in message
...

Feeling nostalgic... I installed FS 3, 5.1, and 98 again. I also have FS2,
but that one I have only runs on a Commodore 64/128. And
my FS3 came on a single 720KB floppy. And boy is the detail in this
version very barren! About only 8 buildings around Meigs
Downtown Chicago). Grant Park is just a yellow square, etc. And it uses
CGA graphics and the silly PC speaker (buzzer) for sound.

Anyway my question is about running MSDOS FS5.1 under Windows 2000. I got
it working under W98SE on this same machine. Although
under W98SE, FS5.1 complains when you set something (a display feature)
that requires expanded memory, that I don't have any
(although I have 256MB worth of it which 64MB available for DOS). But if I
go ahead and ignore the message, it seems to work just
fine anyway. Although the digitized sound can use either expanded or
conventional memory. And there are many warnings (in the
manuals and in the software) that under Windows that digitized sound may
crash if expanded memory is used. And it sure does.

Anyway back to Windows 2000. I guess I am not looking exactly how to do it
(as I can figure it out and I don't want people to waste
too much time on it), but I am just wondering if anybody has ever gotten
MSDOS FS 5.1 up and running under Windows 2000 ever? As the
requirements on the box states you need MSDOS 5 or higher. And Windows
2000/XP doesn't sport any real DOS (only through emulation).
Although the readme1.txt explains how to run under Windows 3.1, Windows
95, DR-DOS and OS/2 2.1 systems (and OS/2 doesn't sport a
real DOS either). Although I thought I saw something that mentioned about
Windows NT too. But I can't find it now. Maybe that was
for another FS version that I was thinking of.

Anyway playing around with MSDOS FS 5.1 under Windows 98SE isn't as bad as
I remembered. The graphics are better under FS98 of
course, but 5.1 is definitely still enjoyment to fly. And believe it or
not, the Sopwith has brakes under 5.1. grin Although it
didn't have the Bell heli yet in this version.

Bill



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I've got FS5.1 loaded on a Windows 98SE and it flies off on me. I'm going
to load it on a second machine that has more ram & disk space to see what
happens.

I still have the original manual That might contain the info you are
looking for. Anyway, the good news for me is that you have been able to get
it going on 98SE. No. On initial review I did not find anything about
using DOS emulators in the manual. I'll keep looking, though.

There definitely are attractions in the FS5.1. Sometimes newer versions
make it harder to learn with the Gee Wiz technology that later editions have
added.

John

The expanded memory error you're getting is because himem.sys is not loaded
(and what was the other one - mem386.exe? Too bloody long since I played
with dos.) which gives dos apps access to expanded memory.

"Bill Wolff" wrote in message
...

Feeling nostalgic... I installed FS 3, 5.1, and 98 again. I also have FS2,
but that one I have only runs on a Commodore 64/128. And
my FS3 came on a single 720KB floppy. And boy is the detail in this
version very barren! About only 8 buildings around Meigs
Downtown Chicago). Grant Park is just a yellow square, etc. And it uses
CGA graphics and the silly PC speaker (buzzer) for sound.

Anyway my question is about running MSDOS FS5.1 under Windows 2000. I got
it working under W98SE on this same machine. Although
under W98SE, FS5.1 complains when you set something (a display feature)
that requires expanded memory, that I don't have any
(although I have 256MB worth of it which 64MB available for DOS). But if I
go ahead and ignore the message, it seems to work just
fine anyway. Although the digitized sound can use either expanded or
conventional memory. And there are many warnings (in the
manuals and in the software) that under Windows that digitized sound may
crash if expanded memory is used. And it sure does.

Anyway back to Windows 2000. I guess I am not looking exactly how to do it
(as I can figure it out and I don't want people to waste
too much time on it), but I am just wondering if anybody has ever gotten
MSDOS FS 5.1 up and running under Windows 2000 ever? As the
requirements on the box states you need MSDOS 5 or higher. And Windows
2000/XP doesn't sport any real DOS (only through emulation).
Although the readme1.txt explains how to run under Windows 3.1, Windows
95, DR-DOS and OS/2 2.1 systems (and OS/2 doesn't sport a
real DOS either). Although I thought I saw something that mentioned about
Windows NT too. But I can't find it now. Maybe that was
for another FS version that I was thinking of.

Anyway playing around with MSDOS FS 5.1 under Windows 98SE isn't as bad as
I remembered. The graphics are better under FS98 of
course, but 5.1 is definitely still enjoyment to fly. And believe it or
not, the Sopwith has brakes under 5.1. grin Although it
didn't have the Bell heli yet in this version.

Bill



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"Cyril Mellor" wrote in message
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(and what was the other one - mem386.exe? Too bloody long since I played
with dos.)

Very close. emm386.exe.

Windows 3.x, 95 and 98 (and probably ME) require that Himem.sys load on
startup to provide "Extended Memory." Even if you do not explicitly load
Himem in your config.sys file it will load itself along with another file
named Ifshlp.sys which helps provide the file system. Both are required for
Windows 3.x to probably Windows ME. EMM386.exe, if loaded among others can
provide "Expanded Memory." I still have some old DOS configuration tips
posted at my ATP/Pro Pilot flight simulation site:
http://mvps.org/winmac/win95dos.html
Windows 2000 then XP were built from the NT architecture in parallel with
the above Windows versions thus, if there were any instructions to make
FS5.1 work on NT try those.
FS History
Here's a short history of FS and ATP you might enjoy:
http://simpilot.net/~stotzer/history.html
Here's another FS history page FYI:
http://simflight.com/~fshistory/fsh/start.htm
I still run Windows 98SE on my primary home system (I've been using Windows
2000 at work for years) so I can still keep loaded and run: ATP, AS1 and AS2
along with some of my old favorites likes Aces of the Pacific 1946 etc.
The homepage of my ATP site is he
http://simpilot.net/~stotzer/atp.html
-MarkS.

"Bill Wolff" wrote in message
...

Feeling nostalgic... I installed FS 3, 5.1, and 98 again. I also have FS2,
but that one I have only runs on a Commodore 64/128. And
my FS3 came on a single 720KB floppy. And boy is the detail in this
version very barren! About only 8 buildings around Meigs
Downtown Chicago). Grant Park is just a yellow square, etc. And it uses
CGA graphics and the silly PC speaker (buzzer) for sound.

Anyway my question is about running MSDOS FS5.1 under Windows 2000. I got
it working under W98SE on this same machine. Although
under W98SE, FS5.1 complains when you set something (a display feature)
that requires expanded memory, that I don't have any
(although I have 256MB worth of it which 64MB available for DOS). But if I
go ahead and ignore the message, it seems to work just
fine anyway. Although the digitized sound can use either expanded or
conventional memory. And there are many warnings (in the
manuals and in the software) that under Windows that digitized sound may
crash if expanded memory is used. And it sure does.

Anyway back to Windows 2000. I guess I am not looking exactly how to do it
(as I can figure it out and I don't want people to waste
too much time on it), but I am just wondering if anybody has ever gotten
MSDOS FS 5.1 up and running under Windows 2000 ever? As the
requirements on the box states you need MSDOS 5 or higher. And Windows
2000/XP doesn't sport any real DOS (only through emulation).
Although the readme1.txt explains how to run under Windows 3.1, Windows
95, DR-DOS and OS/2 2.1 systems (and OS/2 doesn't sport a
real DOS either). Although I thought I saw something that mentioned about
Windows NT too. But I can't find it now. Maybe that was
for another FS version that I was thinking of.

Anyway playing around with MSDOS FS 5.1 under Windows 98SE isn't as bad as
I remembered. The graphics are better under FS98 of
course, but 5.1 is definitely still enjoyment to fly. And believe it or
not, the Sopwith has brakes under 5.1. grin Although it
didn't have the Bell heli yet in this version.

Bill



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From: "Eric"
Newsgroups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-
sim,microsoft.public.flightsim,rec.aviation.simula tors
Subject: MSDOS FS 5.1 runnable under Windows 2000/XP?
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:45:51 -0500

LOL

I played Sublogic's FS2 again not too long ago for nostalgia.

Hi Eric... Yes it is fun to pull those things out from time to time.

I'm not familiar with the lineage of MSFS, but did it evolve out of
Sublogic's FS? I remember Sublogic's FS2 having been developed for most
of the 8-biters back "in the day".

Yes, SubLOGIC (Bruce Artwick was a main guy) created what is now known as MS
Flight Simulator. And versions of FS 1 and 2 never mentions Microsoft on any
copy that I know of. It was only there with FS3 and up. And I don't know if
MS licensed it or bought them out or what? I do know some of the people
working for SubLOGIC did become Microsoft employees though.

I had FS2 for the Radio Shack TRS-80 "Color Computer 3". I still have
the original 5 1/4, the manuals, and the maps that came with it. I'm
wasn't about to dig out all the Coco stuff just to play it, but it
worked well enough through an emulator.

Pretty funny compared to today's capability.

You bet.




Cheers!


____________________________________________
Bill (using a HP Pavilion 8655c under 2000)
-- written and edited within WordStar 5.0

From: "John"
Newsgroups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-
sim,microsoft.public.flightsim,rec.aviation.simula tors
Subject: MSDOS FS 5.1 runnable under Windows 2000/XP?
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 00:13:45 GMT

I've got FS5.1 loaded on a Windows 98SE and it flies off on me. I'm
going to load it on a second machine that has more ram & disk space to
see what happens.

Hi John... Thanks! Although what I am most interested in is what you see
when you fire up FS5.1 under Windows 98SE and then:

Select Options from the menubar
Select Simulator Info

Now tell me how much XMS memory is being used and how much is free. Mine
always states 0 is being used and 64MB (65535) is free. Now on this same
page, check the EMS and XMS handles. Mine always shows 0 EMS handles (used
and free) and 7 to 26 being used for XMS with 26 to 14 being free. Depending
on what graphic features you turn on and off.

So this is telling me two different things here. That there are no XMS
memory being used, but the XMS handles are telling me that it is using XMS
memory. Although everything appears to be working okay (under Windows 98SE
anyway, as Windows 2000 still won't run it), so it is only a curious thing
with me.

Another thing I would like for you to check out is:

Select Options from the menubar
Select Preferences
Select Sound

Is yours set that the sound is using XMS memory? As I remember when I ran it
under Windows 95 that this had to be off as well (as FS5.1 crashes before
you can do anything and you have to reinstall or edit the configuration file
to turn it back to off). Although under DOS and not Windows, this option
turned on was okay. Although it doesn't really matter since under Windows
98SE, one has plenty of conventional memory it can use instead anyway.

Another thing that would nice for you to check is instead of selecting the
Sound button from the Preferences menu, is to select Display this time and
now click on the Scenery Display Options. Is all of yours checked? Mine are.
But if you uncheck say Textured Sky and then recheck it, I get a warning
that this computer doesn't have XMS (expanded memory), but it does have EMS
(extended memory). And both claims are false! As I have no EMS memory and
lots of XMS memory configured.

I still have the original manual That might contain the info you are
looking for. Anyway, the good news for me is that you have been able to
get it going on 98SE. No. On initial review I did not find anything
about using DOS emulators in the manual. I'll keep looking, though.

Well I have two sets of manuals and I think I have found everything they say
about it anyway. Although if not, all I need is a page number or something
if you have better luck than I did. And I really would like to have it
working under Windows 2000. Although at this time, I don't believe it is
going to happen. Maybe MS has it listed in there compatibility list or
something. Gosh I wonder where they hide that list today?

There definitely are attractions in the FS5.1. Sometimes newer versions
make it harder to learn with the Gee Wiz technology that later editions
have added.

John

While I flown a Cessna 172 during the 70's while I was taking lessons. I
never got the hang of all of the ADT, transponder, EFIS, etc. And I still
don't. As all of this time on the flight simulators, all I want to do is to
fly and not mess around with the other stuff.

Although now I am seriously looking at all of this NAV/COM stuff. And also
now I want to learn it. So I fired up FS2002 and had taken a few lessons in
this area. Well the Instructor said that I could switch communication
frequencies if I wanted to. But he never said don't and I did. Well now
everything he was talking about didn't make any sense because I was
somewhere else. And I am not grasping the VOR thing either too well.

Although firing up FS5.1, this stuff seems so much easier to grasp, like you
say. Plus you have the paper manuals right there when you have a problem
with something. Plus believe it or not, I think the grass in Solder's Field
looks better in FS5.1 than any version I've seen to date. grin

So I look forward to hearing from you again, if you don't mind checking this
stuff out for me. And thanks in advance.




Cheers!


____________________________________________
Bill (using a HP Pavilion 8655c under 2000)
-- written and edited within WordStar 5.0

Hi Eric... Well guess what? Besides the very nice links that Mark D. Stotzer
had provided on the FS history, there also appears to be an item being sold
on eBay that claims it is Microsoft Flight Simulator v1.0 for the PC. You
can find it quickly by this URL:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3652157551

I've been using MS/SubLOGIC Flight Simulators since v2. And I never even had
known there was a v1 available for the PC. That was until recently. And if I
did know one was available way back then, I'm sure I would have bought it.
grin




Cheers!


____________________________________________
Bill (using a HP Pavilion 8655c under 2000)
-- written and edited within WordStar 5.0



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From: "Bill Wolff"
Newsgroups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-
sim,microsoft.public.flightsim,rec.aviation.simula tors
Subject: MSDOS FS 5.1 runnable under Windows 2000/XP?
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:08:26 -0600

... Yes, SubLOGIC (Bruce Artwick was a main guy) created what is now known
as MS Flight Simulator. And versions of FS 1 and 2 never mentions Microsoft
on any copy that I know of. It was only there with FS3 and up. And I don't
know if MS licensed it or bought them out or what? I do know some of the
people working for SubLOGIC did become Microsoft employees though...

~~~~~~~~~

From: "Eric"
Newsgroups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-
sim,microsoft.public.flightsim,rec.aviation.simula tors
Subject: MSDOS FS 5.1 runnable under Windows 2000/XP?
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:45:51 -0500

... I'm not familiar with the lineage of MSFS, but did it evolve out of
Sublogic's FS? I remember Sublogic's FS2 having been developed for most
of the 8-biters back "in the day"...