Getting confused with ATC order...Violation?

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Other than you don't have airplanes, big birds, loose balloons and other
assorted objects appearing out of nowhere, the aircraft isn't bouncing
around in turbulance while you try to maintain attitude and altitude,
there are no other people in the aircraft trying to talk to you,
there is a pause button so you can take a leak anytime you need to,
and there are no real world consequences to any of your actions, it is
just like the real thing.

Most of these things have no influence on ATC communication.

In the real world, all these things are called distractions.

Distractions in the real world lead to errors in the real world.


--
Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote in
:

writes:

Other than you don't have airplanes, big birds, loose balloons and
other
assorted objects appearing out of nowhere, the aircraft isn't
bouncing
around in turbulance while you try to maintain attitude and altitude,
there are no other people in the aircraft trying to talk to you,
there is a pause button so you can take a leak anytime you need to,
and there are no real world consequences to any of your actions, it
is
just like the real thing.

Most of these things have no influence on ATC communication.



Wrong again, fjukkwit.


Bertie

"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
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On 2008-04-04, Private wrote:
Technically, ATC has no jurisdiction to "victor" VFR aircraft
I hesitate to nitpick an otherwise excelent post, but for the benefit of
the
OP wish to note that the correct spelling should be "vector".
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vector

"Got the vector, Victor?"

"Roger Roger"

Mxsmanic wrote in
news
C J Campbell writes:

They do die in real airplanes, though, and the FAA has held that a
pilot who reads back an erroneous clearance is still required to fly
the one given him by ATC, even if ATC doesn't correct him.

But that is a physical impossibility. If the pilot heard 110 instead
of 210 because of static, and he reads back and flies 110, and ATC
doesn't correct him, how is the pilot to magically know what ATC
really said and magically fly that?


That's because you'r enot a pilot, you're an idiot.


When advice is needed on how to make a good burger out of dumpster
scraps, we'll call you.

Bertie

On Apr 4, 7:39 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


When advice is needed on how to make a good burger out of dumpster
scraps, we'll call you.

Bertie

You gotta put some kind of warning into your posts --"Don't drink
juice while reading"

That's the second time in a week...

sheese...

Mxsmanic wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

I've done endless readbacks on VATSIM, and they are just like the real thing.

How exactly would you know this? The fact that you think a readback keeps
you safe from the FAA would lead me to believe that you don't really know
much about it at all. Much as you protest, things in the real world are not
the same as they are in your fantasy land.

I know more about ATC than many VFR private pilots know.

VFR pilots have actually communicated with ATC. You have never done so.
Excuse me if I'm not impressed with your self assesment.

John Galban

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On 2008-04-04 16:39:05 -0700, Bertie the Bunyip said:

Mxsmanic wrote in
news
C J Campbell writes:

They do die in real airplanes, though, and the FAA has held that a
pilot who reads back an erroneous clearance is still required to fly
the one given him by ATC, even if ATC doesn't correct him.

But that is a physical impossibility. If the pilot heard 110 instead
of 210 because of static, and he reads back and flies 110, and ATC
doesn't correct him, how is the pilot to magically know what ATC
really said and magically fly that?


That's because you'r enot a pilot, you're an idiot.


When advice is needed on how to make a good burger out of dumpster
scraps, we'll call you.

Bertie

Too bad Anthony really isn't a pilot. His epitaph would be "Died of a
physical impossibility."

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2008-04-04 08:53:46 -0700, "Steven P. McNicoll"
said:

On Apr 4, 7:55 am, C J Campbell
wrote:

They do die in real airplanes, though, and the FAA has held that a
pilot who reads back an erroneous clearance is still required to fly
the one given him by ATC, even if ATC doesn't correct him.


The FAA hasn't held that at all.

Sorry. You are right. It was the NTSB in the Merrell case, 1999.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:
On 2008-04-04 08:53:46 -0700, "Steven P. McNicoll"
said:

On Apr 4, 7:55 am, C J Campbell
wrote:

They do die in real airplanes, though, and the FAA has held that a
pilot who reads back an erroneous clearance is still required to fly
the one given him by ATC, even if ATC doesn't correct him.


The FAA hasn't held that at all.

Sorry. You are right. It was the NTSB in the Merrell case, 1999.

Thanks for mentioning that case - I was curious and looked it up. Got
several hits, including this helpful one:

http://www.aviationlawcorp.com/content/dangerous.html