Why did Bush join the national guard?

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 15:29:00 -0400, "George Z. Bush"
wrote:

Thomas J. Paladino Jr. wrote:

And for the record, when a proposal was floated to send F102s to Vietnam,
Bush put his name in as a volunteer, however the powers that be decided not
to use the plane.

For the same record, when he first applied for flying training, he indicated on
his application that he did NOT desire an overseas assignment.

That's no smoking gun. I did NOT desire an overseas assignment when I
entered the USAF. I did NOT desire an overseas assignment when I chose
the F-105 (there were four wings in the US flying the airplane at the
time.) I did NOT desire an overseas assignment when I got one to Korat
Thailand. I did NOT desire an overseas assignment when I returned from
Korat. In fact, I was in the AF for almost eight years before the
first time I checked that box on the AF form 90. A lot of folks with
and without families for a wide variety of reasons don't indicate a
preference or desire for overseas assignment.

And he had only
300 flying hours in the F-102 when he volunteered for overseas duty after he had
been told that they wouldn't consider anybody with less than 500 hours. It was
a pretty safe thing to do.....asking for something you knew in advance they
weren't going to give you.

And, when I went to war in the F-105 I had 120 hours in the airplane.
When I went to war in the F-4 I had 28 hours in the type and ZERO
hours in the model to which I was assigned. My first flight in an F-4E
was a combat mission. So, there's not much "safety" in volunteering
with a few less hours than required.

That's just for the record, of course.

This is just for the record as well.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights"
Both from Smithsonian Books
***www.thunderchief.org

"ArtKramr" wrote

He pulled strings to avoid combat. He is not much of a man.

Why join the military if you want to avoid combat? Your juvenile
logic makes no sense to adults.

"ArtKramr" wrote

And where did you fight?

Who cares?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Why did Bush join the National Guard instrae do the Army, Navy
or Air Force? why?


He didn't.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 9/5/2004 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that happens
is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

George Z.


That's just the 8th. Then add the 9th and the 15th and all the air forces in
the Pacific and you have a total that makes air duty the most hazardous in the
history of of warfare. Wanna live? Join anything but the Air Forces.. Or fly
B-52's over Iraq. Or do what Bush did. which was nothing.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Pete" wrote in message
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"ArtKramr" wrote


Bush refused to vounteer. And he did it in writing.

6 million of the 9 million people on active duty during the Vietnam era
never saw SEA. Will you belittle their service as well?


Art belittles the service of most.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Bob Coe"
Date: 9/5/2004 12:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: D%J_c.18375$ni.14244@okepread01

"ArtKramr" wrote

And where did you fight?

Who cares?


That answers my question.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Bob Coe"
Date: 9/5/2004 12:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: %_J_c.18374$ni.12041@okepread01

"ArtKramr" wrote

He pulled strings to avoid combat. He is not much of a man.

Why join the military if you want to avoid combat? Your juvenile
logic makes no sense to adults.


To give the illusion of heroism where none exists.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

Get back to me after you have fought in a real war. You are all ****ed up. The
Army AIr Corps had the highest percentage But you fought in neither the AAC or
the Mairnes. so what the hell do you know about anything?

You're full of ****. You didn't join the Marines because you were scared,
and too skinny to fight your way out of a paper bag. You signed-up to ride
around in an airplane at the governments expense, take the cash, and the
heated barracks, and lay around like a ****ing queen, while real men fought.

You're basically a whore.

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 11:59 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Why did Bush join the National Guard instrae do the Army, Navy or
Air Force?
why?


He DID go into the Air Force. The ANG is a component of the USAF.


Yes, but Art asked about the National Guard.