Repairing Plastic Instrument Panel Overlay

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:59:55 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

My God, Don, do you really *do* this?

Right now we use one of those plastic buckets that powdered bleach
comes in. Us old guys use a broom to push it around under the belly
-- a quick squirt to mark the spot, then push the bucket over there.
Then a Gatt jar to pour the stuff back in the tanks.

Speaking of insurance, the document looks pretty official.

Don

Jay,

A GATS jar is an absolute necessity. I fly a '65 Cherokee Six, which has the
same fuel system and same verbage in the AFM. I religiously do the tanks, but
unless I see something suspicious coming out of one of the tank drains, the
pee lever just gets a 5-10 second squirt out of my take-off tank to clear the
sediment bowl and make sure there is no water in the line on the tank I'll be
depending on to get me up high. The 5-10 second squirt will fill the GATS jar
if I have a poor sucker willing to get under the plane to hold the jar on the
nipple. In about 1000 hours of flying this airplane, I have yet to see any
water or sediment come out of the belly drain.

Jay Honeck wrote:

When the fuel tanks are full, it will take approximately 11 seconds to
drain all the fuel in one of the lines between a tip tank and the fuel
strainer and approximately six seconds to drain all the fuel in one of
the lines from a main tank to the fuel strainer. When the fuel tanks
are less than full, it will take a few seconds longer.

My God, Don, do you really *do* this?

I don't know the fuel flow out of those quick drains, but they are
advocating holding them open for AT LEAST 34 seconds -- not counting the
individual wing sumps. Figure another second or two for four wing tanks,
and we're up to 42 seconds of draining gas, either on the ground or into
a -- what? You'd need a friggin' pan, or bucket! Before each flight? And
then what would you do with it all?

This sounds like a rule that was written by the insurance guys.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Don Tuite" wrote in message
...
I promised to supply chapter and verse on this drain-a-lotta-gas
stuff.

The document is called:

Airplane Flight Manual
Model PA-28-235
Serial Number Effectivity: 28-10001 thru 28-7210023

The approval info says:
FAA Approved 7/1/63
REVISED 9/1/71 Rev. No. 19

I do not know if there are futher revisions that extend the
applicability.

A note on the cover says:
THIS DOCUMENT MUST BE KEPT IN AIRPLANE AT ALL TIMES
REPORT VB-170

Here's what it says:
(limitations, placards and autopilot stuff deleted)

10. Fuel System Pre-Flight Procedure

The fuel system should be drained daily prior to first flight and
after refueling to avoid the accumulation of water or sedient. Each
fuel tank is equipped with an individual quick drain located at the
lower inboard rear corner of the tank. The fuel strainer and quick
drain valve are located in the fuselage at the lowest pointof the fuel
system. It is important that the fuel system be drained in the
following manner:

a. Drain each tank through the individual quick drain located at the
inboard rear corner of the tank making sure that enough fuel has been
drained to insure that all water and sediment is removed.

b. Place a container under the fuel sump drain outlet, which is
locted under the fuselage.

c. Drain the fuel strainer by pressing down on ghe lever located on
the right-hand side of the cabin below the forward edge of the rear
seat. The fuel selector must be positioned in the following sequence:
off position, left tip, left main, right main, and right tip while
draining the strainer to insure that the fuel lines between each tank

d. Examine the contents of the container placed under the fuel sump
drain outlet for water and sediment and dispose of the contents.

(performance data snipped)


Don

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In article %5aSb.179963$xy6.858331@attbi_s02, Jay Honeck
wrote:

When the fuel tanks are full, it will take approximately 11 seconds to
drain all the fuel in one of the lines between a tip tank and the fuel
strainer and approximately six seconds to drain all the fuel in one of
the lines from a main tank to the fuel strainer. When the fuel tanks
are less than full, it will take a few seconds longer.

My God, Don, do you really *do* this?

I do, but remember, I fly rentals. No telling what airport the fuel
came from.

I don't know the fuel flow out of those quick drains, but they are
advocating holding them open for AT LEAST 34 seconds -- not counting the
individual wing sumps. Figure another second or two for four wing tanks,
and we're up to 42 seconds of draining gas, either on the ground or into
a -- what? You'd need a friggin' pan, or bucket! Before each flight? And
then what would you do with it all?

Get a GATS jar. They come in 12 and 16 oz size for the same price. ($20)
The belly drain will dump maybe 32 oz in the time necessary to sump
each tank.