Direct to intermediate approach fix?

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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The likely reason the controller used the procedure for the ILS is
because controllers have a way of bending the rules to suit their
personal perception of things.


What rules are you referring to?

7110.65P 4-8-1 b. 4


So what's the problem with controllers bending the rules to suit their
personal perception of things? After all, 7110.65 is an FAA order and FAA
orders are just guidance. Isn't that correct?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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The likely reason the controller used the procedure for the ILS is
because controllers have a way of bending the rules to suit their
personal perception of things.


What rules are you referring to?

7110.65P 4-8-1 b. 4



So what's the problem with controllers bending the rules to suit their
personal perception of things? After all, 7110.65 is an FAA order and FAA
orders are just guidance. Isn't that correct?


No, that is not correct.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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No, that is not correct.


What caused you to change your mind?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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No, that is not correct.



What caused you to change your mind?


An order sets forth directives from the Adminstrator or her designees.

Where the order sets fortt mandatory actions or limitations, it means
just that. Where it gives several methods of compliance, it means just
that. Where it provides optional procedures, it means just that. Where
it instructs employees to be familiar with an order that applies to the
services they provide, it means just that.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
...

An order sets forth directives from the Adminstrator or her designees.

Where the order sets fortt mandatory actions or limitations, it means just
that. Where it gives several methods of compliance, it means just that.
Where it provides optional procedures, it means just that. Where it
instructs employees to be familiar with an order that applies to the
services they provide, it means just that.


Yes, I know, but three months ago you took the position that FAA orders are
guidance. What caused you to change your mind?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
...

An order sets forth directives from the Adminstrator or her designees.

Where the order sets fortt mandatory actions or limitations, it means just
that. Where it gives several methods of compliance, it means just that.
Where it provides optional procedures, it means just that. Where it
instructs employees to be familiar with an order that applies to the
services they provide, it means just that.



Yes, I know, but three months ago you took the position that FAA orders are
guidance. What caused you to change your mind?


I didn't.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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I didn't.


Which do you believe you didn't do? Take the position that FAA orders are
guidance or change your mind?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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I didn't.



Which do you believe you didn't do? Take the position that FAA orders are
guidance or change your mind?



Oh, orders are indeed guidance. Guidance does not always mean guidelines.

I quote Order 8260.19C, Paragraph 100:

"This order provides guidance to all FAA personnel for the
administration and accomplishment of the FAA Flight Procedures and
Airspace Program."

Or, Order 7100.9:

"1. Purpose. This order provides guidance and standardization for
procedures development and management of the Standard Terminal Arrival
(STAR) Program."

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
...

Oh, orders are indeed guidance. Guidance does not always mean guidelines.

I quote Order 8260.19C, Paragraph 100:

"This order provides guidance to all FAA personnel for the administration
and accomplishment of the FAA Flight Procedures and Airspace Program."

Or, Order 7100.9:

"1. Purpose. This order provides guidance and standardization for
procedures development and management of the Standard Terminal Arrival
(STAR) Program."


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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
...

Oh, orders are indeed guidance. Guidance does not always mean guidelines.

I quote Order 8260.19C, Paragraph 100:

"This order provides guidance to all FAA personnel for the administration
and accomplishment of the FAA Flight Procedures and Airspace Program."

Or, Order 7100.9:

"1. Purpose. This order provides guidance and standardization for
procedures development and management of the Standard Terminal Arrival
(STAR) Program."



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I repeat myself:


Where the order sets fortt mandatory actions or limitations, it means
just that. Where it gives several methods of compliance, it means just
that. Where it provides optional procedures, it means just that. Where
it instructs employees to be familiar with an order that applies to the
services they provide, it means just that.