Unusual attitude recovery advice sought

Hi Barney - not :-) - Rubble.

On Apr 3, 9:00 am, "Barney Rubble" wrote:
That's the best advice. I once got into the start of a graveyard spiral on a
VERY turbulent day when I took my eye off the ball for a split second to
tune the radio. When i glanced back I noticed the plane was 90 degrees off
heading and the VSI was pegged downwards. It happened in less than 2
seconds, I kid you not. Instinct took over and I levelled the wings and got
the altitude back on track before the controller even noticed. Boy did I get
the cold chills. I was single pilot in heavy IMC with the rian beating on
the windshield, moderate turb PIREPS all around and minimums below. Not a
goot time to let things slide. I was back on alt and heading before the
controller even noticed.... I'm pleased I practiced UA and smooth control of
the plane.
- Barney

That's damn interesting. Consider a vortex, we see
them as tornadoes when they actually mature and
touch down to the ground.
But suppose only 1 in a hundred, actually become
mature tornadoes and the rest exist in bad weather,
inside clouds that Barney may have encountered.

There is a lot of different kinds of turbulence, that
could appear in seconds as one flys into a vortex.

I've seen plenty of photo's of little titties on the bottom
of storm clouds, (I think they are usually Nimbo Stratus,
but not always), that dissipated.

That gives me an idea for a new instrument,
something like a "stall buzzer".
If a delta attitude occurs, that is NOT a result of an
control input, then that would warn of either a
weather or structural anomally. Fortunately for
Barney it was a weather anomally.

Don't quite know how to build it yet but that's just
application of ingenuity.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

Hi Barney - not :-) - Rubble.

On Apr 3, 9:00 am, "Barney Rubble" wrote:
That's the best advice. I once got into the start of a graveyard
spiral on a VERY turbulent day when I took my eye off the ball for a
split second to tune the radio. When i glanced back I noticed the
plane was 90 degrees off heading and the VSI was pegged downwards. It
happened in less than 2 seconds, I kid you not. Instinct took over
and I levelled the wings and got the altitude back on track before
the controller even noticed. Boy did I get the cold chills. I was
single pilot in heavy IMC with the rian beating on the windshield,
moderate turb PIREPS all around and minimums below. Not a goot time
to let things slide. I was back on alt and heading before the
controller even noticed.... I'm pleased I practiced UA and smooth
control of the plane.
- Barney

That's damn interesting. Consider a vortex, we see
them as tornadoes when they actually mature and
touch down to the ground.
But suppose only 1 in a hundred, actually become
mature tornadoes and the rest exist in bad weather,
inside clouds that Barney may have encountered.

There is a lot of different kinds of turbulence, that
could appear in seconds as one flys into a vortex.

I've seen plenty of photo's of little titties on the bottom
of storm clouds, (I think they are usually Nimbo Stratus,
but not always), that dissipated.

That gives me an idea for a new instrument,
something like a "stall buzzer".
If a delta attitude occurs, that is NOT a result of an
control input, then that would warn of either a
weather or structural anomally. Fortunately for
Barney it was a weather anomally.

Don't quite know how to build it yet but that's just
application of ingenuity.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker


Good lord, is there nothing you know something about~?

Bertie

On Apr 3, 1:00 pm, "Barney Rubble" wrote:
That's the best advice. I once got into the start of a graveyard spiral on a
VERY turbulent day when I took my eye off the ball for a split second to
tune the radio. When i glanced back I noticed the plane was 90 degrees off
heading and the VSI was pegged downwards. It happened in less than 2
seconds, I kid you not. Instinct took over and I levelled the wings and got
the altitude back on track before the controller even noticed. Boy did I get
the cold chills. I was single pilot in heavy IMC with the rian beating on
the windshield, moderate turb PIREPS all around and minimums below. Not a
goot time to let things slide. I was back on alt and heading before the
controller even noticed.... I'm pleased I practiced UA and smooth control of
the plane.

- Barney

Though I have a reputation as a Luddite, I will chime in that an
autopilot is the best friend a Single Pilot flying IFR can possess.

Even if you hand fly most of the time, it helps plenty to hand over
the straight and level chore for a moment to fetch a chart or write
down a frequency (which hardly ever matches what you're expecting
based on the charts).


Dan Mc

"Eamon McKinley" wrote in message
...

On the ground we discussed the situation and my CFII told me that he
likes to be aggressive with the unusual attitudes in order that I can
handle the worst cases. He also said the CE he uses likes to do the
same. Rather than cancel the checkride, his recommendation was that
one of us briefs the DE that I have low negative G tolerance. I don't
know how I feel about this, it seems like a cop-out to be quite
honest.


Boy, that could be trouble if the DE decides that he's going to test your
tolerance in light of that.

My chief instructor for instrument and commercial made a point to do unusual
attitude recovery every time we turned home from dual instruction. For
some people it comes instinctively, but for me I might have lucked out with
a couple of instructors who loved to do them.

If partial G forces trouble you then it might be worth doing them several
times with your eyes open so you can physiologically condition yourself so
that it's easier to prepare pyschologically.

-c

"Eamon McKinley" wrote in message


Thoughts & advice would be very much appreciated.

The goal is to put you in an unusual attitude, not introduce you to
aerobatics. I've not had a DE use strong inputs to disorient me during a
checkride and, as others have mentioned, putting you in an unusual attitude
can be done in a disorienting way without un/loading the airplane much at
all.

There was one time I got in a slightly unusual attitude between layers. It
was a combination of sloping clouds and my reading notes on my lap for a few
seconds that did it for me. While the attitude was not serious (only about a
15 degree bank and maybe 8 degrees nose up), it was not "usual" for that
phase of flight - and I didn't feel the slightest G load getting there.

One instructor I used had me close my eyes, look at my lap, then asked me to
turn, climb, level, turn, level, descend, level, open eyes - and whaddaya
know, I was most assuredly not in level flight. Considering how I got myself
into the attitude I described above, maybe this instructor's technique has
some merit.

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"Eamon McKinley" wrote in message
...
Hello everyone,

I'm about a week away from taking my instrument checkride, but I'm
lacking in one area I thought would be a breeze.
...

So, d00d, how did it go?


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