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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:36:54 +0300, "Vello" wrote:
"Peter Stickney" wrote in message ... The MiG was intended to be flown by normal service pilots, use normal fuels and systems, and be maintained by 20 year old conscripts in Siberia. Making an airplane that can do all those things wasn't a trivial acheivement. Another way to look at it is that the MiG-25 has pretty much the ultimate perforance that can be acheived with a normal shape, and fairly normal materials. (Stainless Steel, for the most part) If you're going to go faster and higher, you need to start making exotic airplanes like the SR-71. Thank you all for making things clear! One more strange thing: russians have a lot of titanium, they even built submarine hulls from that - strange airframe builders in SU find so little use for titanium. Do anybody know the reason? whats really funnny is that the Titanium that was used to build the SR-71 was exported from the then Soviet Union. -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
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little use for titanium. Do anybody know the
reason? whats really funnny is that the Titanium that was used to build the SR-71 was exported from the then Soviet Union. Russia has 75% of the world's supply of titanuim ore. We have been buying processed TI "sponge" from them since the 60s in spite of the cold war. |
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"w.a. manning" wrote in message om... $$$ despite it's relative abundance, titanium is very difficult (and thus costly) to manufacture and machine. Exactly. The reason the Soviets used it is because the Ministry of Defense got everything it wanted in the 2 and 5-year plans. Money was literally no object for them. |
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"Ragnar" wrote in message ... "w.a. manning" wrote in message om... $$$ despite it's relative abundance, titanium is very difficult (and thus costly) to manufacture and machine. Exactly. The reason the Soviets used it is because the Ministry of Defense got everything it wanted in the 2 and 5-year plans. Money was literally no object for them. But the point was that they did NOT use it, at least in aircraft production, back when the US was already beginning to do so. And IIRC, that was largely because they had not yet developed the ability to work with it as we did (which is why stainless steel was instead used more by the USSR instead of titanium). Brooks |
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"Steve Mellenthin" wrote in message ... little use for titanium. Do anybody know the reason? whats really funnny is that the Titanium that was used to build the SR-71 was exported from the then Soviet Union. Russia has 75% of the world's supply of titanuim ore. We have been buying processed TI "sponge" from them since the 60s in spite of the cold war. One anecdotical memory from soviet time (i live in Estonia). Hard to belive, but it is true. There was a hughe soviet military plant in Tallinn, Dvigatel. Part of it was targeted on titanium structures. This times Kavor Works in Tallinn was the sole distributor of formula racing cars in Soviet Bloc. Cars went out of works with steel shafts etc parts, but teams taking racing seriously get the same stuff in titanium from Dvigatel for relatively small bribe. Best, Vello |
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MiG-25 has a huge water/alcohol reservoir that posed a quite challenge to
airbase commanders; the stuff was very..hm...potable. I think that Belyakov (a head of MiG OKB) got a sort of "petition" from pilot and maintenance gyus' wives about this, to which he answered something like "If it was needed to fly our planes by the use of French Cognac, we would do it!". To illustrate the proportions of this problem, when the plumbing of the filled reservoir didn't produce effects (since the witty personell would drink it after the flight), HQ ordered that MiG-25 pilots have to DUMP all water/alcohol mixture before touchdown! Nele NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA Vello wrote in message ... "Steve Mellenthin" wrote in message ... little use for titanium. Do anybody know the reason? whats really funnny is that the Titanium that was used to build the SR-71 was exported from the then Soviet Union. Russia has 75% of the world's supply of titanuim ore. We have been buying processed TI "sponge" from them since the 60s in spite of the cold war. One anecdotical memory from soviet time (i live in Estonia). Hard to belive, but it is true. There was a hughe soviet military plant in Tallinn, Dvigatel. Part of it was targeted on titanium structures. This times Kavor Works in Tallinn was the sole distributor of formula racing cars in Soviet Bloc. Cars went out of works with steel shafts etc parts, but teams taking racing seriously get the same stuff in titanium from Dvigatel for relatively small bribe. Best, Vello |
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"Nele VII" wrote in message ... MiG-25 has a huge water/alcohol reservoir that posed a quite challenge to airbase commanders; the stuff was very..hm...potable. I think that Belyakov (a head of MiG OKB) got a sort of "petition" from pilot and maintenance gyus' wives about this, to which he answered something like "If it was needed to fly our planes by the use of French Cognac, we would do it!". To illustrate the proportions of this problem, when the plumbing of the filled reservoir didn't produce effects (since the witty personell would drink it after the flight), HQ ordered that MiG-25 pilots have to DUMP all water/alcohol mixture before touchdown! Nele NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA It may be true. One friend of mine was in mid-range missile unit when in army, by his memories one component of fuel was potable at least for part of soldiers, so it was regular fight between high-range officers wishing to keep unit ready to act and soldiers wanting to have fun... |
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"Vello" writes:
Thank you all for making things clear! One more strange thing: russians have a lot of titanium, they even built submarine hulls from that - strange airframe builders in SU find so little use for titanium. Do anybody know the reason? Trivia: where did Skunk Works get their titanium? From the USSR. The Agency set up a cover in some third country & bought it from them. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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