"Taliban Doors"

Has anyone heard the stories from airline pilots of 767 aircraft about
the placement of the unlock switch for the mandated "Taliban Doors"?

On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches.
Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after
they were first installed?

EDR wrote:

On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches.
Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after
they were first installed?

Well, since you aren't going to hit the fuel cutoff switches in the air under
normal circumstances, I'd say it doesn't matter much.

George Patterson
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EDR wrote:

On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches.
Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after
they were first installed?

Well, since you aren't going to hit the fuel cutoff switches in the air under
normal circumstances, I'd say it doesn't matter much.

But you do open the flight deck door in the air.

Ron Natalie wrote:

But you do open the flight deck door in the air.

Ah, yes. So we're back to the old "make sure it's the flaps and not the gear before
you hit the switch" scenario.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:20:36 GMT EDR wrote:

Has anyone heard the stories from airline pilots of 767 aircraft about
the placement of the unlock switch for the mandated "Taliban Doors"?

On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches.
Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after
they were first installed?


Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders
proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked.


R. Hubbell

"R. Hubbell" wrote in message news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04...

Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders
proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:12:36 -0500, "Ron Natalie" wrote:


"R. Hubbell" wrote in message news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04...

Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders
proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I've heard that saying so many times, and this is the best application of it
that I have read! Bravo!!!

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

"R. Hubbell" wrote in message
news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04...

Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders
proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Rather like the ESP experiments...they don't even hit the level of
chance/good guess.

He (Nader) has proposed quite a lot in his day. If all his recommendations
were adopted, a medium valued car would cost $170,000, a Cessna 182 would be
$750K and would weigh 5,500 lbs empty.

Nader isn't a rocket scientist by any means...he's not even a engineer, and
certainly has never run any business other than his strong-arm organization
that would do the Mafia proud. Yet the scumbag raises $$millions and he got
5% of the vote...beating even the Libertarian candidate.

In a previous article, "Tom Sixkiller" said:
Nader isn't a rocket scientist by any means...he's not even a engineer, and
certainly has never run any business other than his strong-arm organization
that would do the Mafia proud. Yet the scumbag raises $$millions and he got
5% of the vote...beating even the Libertarian candidate.

Yeah, he's such a scumbag because he forced companies to stop accepting a
few dozen deaths a year because it was cheaper to pay off lawsuits than to
add a few cents to the price of each car.

Next time you're in a car that DOESN'T spray flaming gasoline all over you
when it's lightly rear-ended, remember that.

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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:08:38 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote in Message-Id: :

In a previous article, "Tom Sixkiller" said:
Nader isn't a rocket scientist by any means...he's not even a engineer, and
certainly has never run any business other than his strong-arm organization
that would do the Mafia proud. Yet the scumbag raises $$millions and he got
5% of the vote...beating even the Libertarian candidate.

Yeah, he's such a scumbag because he forced companies to stop accepting a
few dozen deaths a year because it was cheaper to pay off lawsuits than to
add a few cents to the price of each car.

Paul, you seem to lack respect of laissez-faire capitalism. In the
USA, production of goods are determined by free market competition.
Competition in the marketplace dictates that a business reduce costs
lower than its competitors or face economic extinction.

If the people of the USA, represented by their government, and in this
case Ralph Nader, demand products that are designed with safety as
their paramount design criterion instead of absolute minimum price,
how are businesses supposed to remain competitive? With a
safety-first mandate, Ford and General Motors will surely fail soon.
:-)

Next time you're in a car that DOESN'T spray flaming gasoline all over you
when it's lightly rear-ended, remember that.

Incinerating a few hapless families due to the cost savings provided
by cost-reduction driven engineering, instead of safety as the primary
criterion, is just collateral damage along the road to business
profitability. Sacrifices must be made for the corporate bottom line.
:-)


But seriously...

Left to itself the auto industry would jettison auto safety in a
heartbeat. Ford produced Pintos with their exploding gas tanks and GM
pickups with side-saddle gas tanks located within the passenger
compartment burned to death over 750 people.

Thanks mostly to Ralph Nader, a graduate of Harvard Law School,
drivers in the USA are surrounded with costly seat belts, air bags,
anti-lock brakes, collapsible steering columns, roll-over protection
and steel 'I' beams in the doors. Despite these safety measures,
every 14 seconds someone is injured in a traffic crash, and every 14
minutes someone is killed. And according to the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration, traffic crashes cost America more than
$150 billion a year – an average of $580 per person. Big business
would argue, "better these costs be paid by the American people than
us." It's another example of big business' exploitation for profit.


--
"I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we could to protect
our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security."
--Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.