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Hurricane relief
"Martin Levac" wrote in message .. . "john smith" a écrit dans le message de . .. "john smith" wrote in message I would expect someone with any modicom of resoursefullness to improvise with whatever is at hand to overcome their situation without depending on outside agencies. I look at the news media images and see all kinds of useful material just lying or floating around. Solar stills Solar cookers Shelter Maybe it's because I can read, was a Boy Scout, have a good mechanical aptitude, and have self confidence, that I feel so self reiliant. Steve S wrote: So if you were born poor, can't read, don't have the skills to purify water (which I, a college graduate, don't have. Do you just boil it?) you should just die. What happens when one of those desparate poor people with no skills sees you with your home made purified water? Do they just look at you with puppy dog eyes and wish they had the skills to make some? And when they ask you to share some you'll tell them too bad, you should have learned to make your own. Then they just sigh and say, you're right John, I shall just lay down and perish now. No they'll shoot you and take your water because that is a skill they do know. However if support is sent to help those trying to help themselves they won't have to resort to primative tactics of survival and some semblence of civil order may be attainable. First, you tell them what materials they need to gather. Second, you show them how to construct their own. Third, if they are stupid enough to shoot you, there will no one teach them the rest of the things they need to learn to stay alive, will there? As another poster pointed out, these people have been condition to socialism and having their needs provided for them without any effort on their part. How many examples of this have we seen on television and heard on the radio this week? Countless! As you so aptly pointed out in your last sentence, they are uncivilized to begin with. Were they civilized, they would already understand the necessity of order and structure to survive. That's what I thought: You expect a ****ing miracle. Your intelligence fails you. "First, you tell them what materials they need to gather" Potable water, emergency medical services, dry clothing, shelter to get out of the sunlight, emergency transport, readily consumable food rations, etc. During several days following the passage of the hurricane, none of the above was readily available in the immediate vicinity hence the need for outside assistance. It was and is all available in nearly unlimited quantities. What do you think was in all the stores they were looting? Chances are they destroyed what they really needed to get to the Nikes and TVs. No shelter, you have got to be kidding. Food, tons of it was available. They would have had access to emergency medical treatment except they attempted to hijack ambulances and loot hospitals. There were a number of resourceful people that managed to get out. The second and third generation welfare people are the ones sitting around crying for government help. Not that the local, state and federal governments didn't screw up big time. They were nearly a week late in responding. |
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"Martin Levac" wrote in message
During several days following the passage of the hurricane, none of the above was readily available in the immediate vicinity hence the need for outside assistance. I can tell you where you can find tens of gallons of potable water available in probably any part of the city, right now, that has never been touched in the past week. |
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"George Patterson" wrote in message
news:_1sSe.4062$aG.3295@trndny01... Blanche wrote: You are insensitive and arrogant. and probably too stupid to listen to you. Thanks for trying. Yes. It's important--and, often, ultimately effective--to speak out against evil, even if the direct targets of your speech are unlikely to be persuaded. I've never had any illusion about what lurks just beneath the public-relations veneer of "compassionate conservatism", so I'm not surprised to see the giddy orgy of self-righteous disparagement here (and elsewhere) that's being directed against the black underclass in the wake of the hurricane's devastation; the right wing's ascendancy has led to some unusually unguarded commentary. I do hope and expect, though, that as the inhumane victim-blaming cruelty of the right-wing agenda makes itself more boldly visible, their "let them eat cake" sentiment toward compatriots in a dire emergency will prove sufficiently shocking and revolting to most people to create a political turning point. --Gary |
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john smith wrote:
"Martin Levac" wrote in message During several days following the passage of the hurricane, none of the above was readily available in the immediate vicinity hence the need for outside assistance. I can tell you where you can find tens of gallons of potable water available in probably any part of the city, right now, that has never been touched in the past week. Don't bet that the hot water heaters haven't been destroyed by collapsing housing material or contaminated by the toxic waters in the area. |
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Not to mention that NONE of them have backflow valves on them, and the odds
of floating turds in the tanks are about unity. Jim "Blanche Cohen" wrote in message ... .. Don't bet that the hot water heaters haven't been destroyed by collapsing housing material or contaminated by the toxic waters in the area. |
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
m... They would have had access to emergency medical treatment except they attempted to hijack ambulances and loot hospitals. Are those two "they"s meant to be the same? That is, are you claiming that all--or even a nontrivial fraction--of the people who lacked access to emergency medical treatment are the same people who had attempted to hijack ambulences or loot hospitals? Presumably not; there's no evidence to support such a claim. What then *do* you mean? That "they" who couldn't get emergency care had the same skin color as "they" who hijacked ambulences, so that you feel entitled to just refer to all of "them" interchangeably? Because I really don't see any other way to parse what you wrote. --Gary |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message ... "Dave Stadt" wrote in message m... They would have had access to emergency medical treatment except they attempted to hijack ambulances and loot hospitals. Are those two "they"s meant to be the same? That is, are you claiming that all--or even a nontrivial fraction--of the people who lacked access to emergency medical treatment are the same people who had attempted to hijack ambulences or loot hospitals? Presumably not; there's no evidence to support such a claim. 'They' as in residents of NO. Instead of pulling together and helping each other many of 'them' decided to act like animals preventing the rest of 'them' from receiving the help 'they' needed. Why is it 'they' didn't go out and help their fellow citizens instead of looting and committing other crimes? What then *do* you mean? That "they" who couldn't get emergency care had the same skin color as "they" who hijacked ambulences, so that you feel entitled to just refer to all of "them" interchangeably? Because I really don't see any other way to parse what you wrote. You spend way too much time listening to Jesse and Al. --Gary |
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
m... 'They' as in residents of NO. Really? Let's do a quick thought experiment. Imagine if the (tens of thousands of) people who couldn't get medical care were all white, and the (handful of) attempted ambulence hijackers were all black. Would you still have said of the residents of N.O. in general, "They would have had access to emergency medical treatment except they attempted to hijack ambulances and loot hospitals."? That is, would you still have phrased it in a way that falsely suggests that the victims somehow had themselves to blame for the hijacking attempts? Why is it 'they' didn't go out and help their fellow citizens instead of looting and committing other crimes? What on earth leads you to assume that the vast majority did not in fact help one another rather than committing crimes? --Gary |
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Gary Drescher wrote:
"George Patterson" wrote in message news:_1sSe.4062$aG.3295@trndny01... Blanche wrote: You are insensitive and arrogant. and probably too stupid to listen to you. Thanks for trying. Yes. It's important--and, often, ultimately effective--to speak out against evil, even if the direct targets of your speech are unlikely to be persuaded. I've never had any illusion about what lurks just beneath the public-relations veneer of "compassionate conservatism", so I'm not surprised to see the giddy orgy of self-righteous disparagement here (and elsewhere) that's being directed against the black underclass in the wake of the hurricane's devastation; the right wing's ascendancy has led to some unusually unguarded commentary. Yes, that is what the liberal media would have you believe and that is why you mainly see black people on the roofs. It doesn't help the agenda nearly as much to show a balanced cross section of those in desparate straits. Just as in Iraq where the mainstream media only shows you the car bombings and aftermath, but almost never shows you the kids in schools, the kids in parks built by the military, etc. If you really believe that what you are seeing on TV from the areas devastated by Katrina is representative, then I feel very sorry for you as you have been duped to the highest degree. Matt |
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