Why didn't GWB join the U.S. Air Force ?

"Ace" wrote

It still sounds to me like some people's votes count for less than
others. Am I correct? A simple *yes* or *no* will suffice.

No.

As Ed has shown, each state has a number of electors based on the
census taken every 10 years. The more people a state has, the more
electors they have. Equal representation.

"Ace" wrote

Do you consider the US voting system to be perfect?

It is perfect in the sense that any abuse can be taken care of with
a gun.

No matter what the politicians or lawyers decide, they have to make
it fair enough, that the public won't burn it down, and kill everyone in
rebellion.

The founders of the Constitution knew full well, that an armed public
would keep things right.

"Ace" wrote
On 15 Jul 2004 03:23:38 GMT, Ian MacLure wrote:

Oh By The Way- this fact of error rates in ballot counting apply to all
countries using those systems . . . not just the U.S.

So the system is flawed?

All systens are flawed.

At last an admission that the US system is flawed! We can now bring
this section of the thread to a close.

Hell, there's 300 million people here, what kind of perfection are you looking
for?

"Ace" wrote

I like being entertained. Who had the greater number of votes cast in
their favour. Bush or Gore?

Bush. He had 271, Gore had 266

"Ace" wrote

Bush. He had 271 votes, and Gore had 266:

Out of 250,000,000 or so voters? You are changing the question again.

The public votes for electors, the electors vote for the President.

"Ace" wrote

So you are saying that four of the Supreme Court Judges do not follow
the law?

The only law they follow is the Constitution. All other laws are judged
to be constitutional or not. In the case of Gore vs America, the Supreme
Court decided his case lacked merit, and that he would have to recount
all counties, not just the ones he thought he could win.

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D. Strang wrote:
"sanjian" wrote
Ace wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:02:24 -0400, "Leslie Swartz"
wrote:

So, by your own admission, in *The Great Democracy*, some people's
votes count, others don't?

When did this great Republic turn into a democracy???

1776 or there-abouts

A democracy exists when there is an Executive, Legislative, and a
Judicial branch of government. We are also a Federal Republic because
we elect people to represent us in daily government affairs. For
example, Iraq was a Republic, but it was not a democracy.

That's a strange definition of democracy.

Why strange? Saddam'd be the first to tell you that he headed a
democracy.....he was the executive, he had a parliament that enacted whatever
laws he told them to enact, and a judiciary to make sure that the parliament's
laws stuck.

Nothing strange at all about that definition.

George Z.

"Ace" wrote in message
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On 15 Jul 2004 03:36:14 GMT, Ian MacLure wrote:

Ace wrote in
:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:34:53 -0500, "D. Strang"
wrote:

No. They are equal. Everyone in the same state has the same 1 vote.
People from other states also have 1 vote, but their state may have
more electors. This is taught in most American high schools, and you
will probably learn it soon unless you drop out.

How is it, then, that the person who wins most votes isn't elected?
Surely there is at least on section of the community whose votes count
for less than another section of the community.

Two words.
Electoral College.
Simply put add the number of Senators and Representatives a state
sends to Washington. That is its number of electors.
How states determine who those electors vote for depends on the
state in question but assume for simplicity if you win the popular
vote in a state you get all that state's electoral votes.
You could win 49 states by one vote each, not get any votes, hell not
even be on the ballot in oh say California and thus loose the popular
vote by some 10s of millions of votes yet still have a landslide in
the electoral college ( 400+ to 57 IIRC )

It still sounds to me like some people's votes count for less than
others. Am I correct? A simple *yes* or *no* will suffice.

It sounds to a lot of people that an accurate answer should have been "yes".
And then there are those who will spend 20 or so lines to explain the
complexities of the system just so they won't have to say "yes".

George Z.

George Z.

"Ace" wrote in message
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Are you saying that the US isn't a democracy?


It isn't one on paper. It has become one in fact, unfortunately.

"Ace" wrote in message
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I like being entertained. Who had the greater number of votes cast in
their favour. Bush or Gore?


Bush