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Instrument Rating tests
I understand it as the IRA (Instrument Rating Airplane) and FII
(Flight Instructor Instrument) tests come from the same question bank. Does the FII test expire like the IRA does? I didn't see it in part 61 unless I'm missing something. To me, it seems like none of the tests expire for CFI? |
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On Feb 15, 8:03 pm, "kevmor" wrote:
I understand it as the IRA (Instrument Rating Airplane) and FII (Flight Instructor Instrument) tests come from the same question bank. Does the FII test expire like the IRA does? I didn't see it in part 61 unless I'm missing something. To me, it seems like none of the tests expire for CFI? Take a look at 61.39. All knowledge tests expire in 24 months. § 61.39 Prerequisites for practical tests. (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, to be eligible for a practical test for a certificate or rating issued under this part, an applicant must: (1) Pass the required knowledge test within the 24-calendar-month period preceding the month the applicant completes the practical test, if a knowledge test is required; |
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They all expire. But the FOI test or holding a certificate
is required for a CFI practical. When you take the FOI as part of the CFI or CFII written, also take the ground instructor basic [any of the tests]. When you have your results, the local FSDO will issue a ground instructor certificate when you present the application and the FOI with a passing GI result. Then you only have to show the GI certificate for any further instructor tests. You can do this while you're still a non-pilot, no hours required. "kevmor" wrote in message oups.com... |I understand it as the IRA (Instrument Rating Airplane) and FII | (Flight Instructor Instrument) tests come from the same question | bank. Does the FII test expire like the IRA does? I didn't see it in | part 61 unless I'm missing something. To me, it seems like none of | the tests expire for CFI? | |
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On Feb 15, 5:03 pm, "kevmor" wrote:
I understand it as the IRA (Instrument Rating Airplane) and FII (Flight Instructor Instrument) tests come from the same question bank. Does the FII test expire like the IRA does? I didn't see it in part 61 unless I'm missing something. To me, it seems like none of the tests expire for CFI? As others have said, it does expire. If you take the IRA also take the IGI exam and get your IGI rating for free (assuming you already have FOI). The one difference between CFI knowledge tests and pilot knowledge tests is that you do not need an endorsement to take the CFI knowledge tests, just walk in and take them. I never figured out why the FAA requires endorsements for the pilot knowledge exams. -Robert, CFII |
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Forty years ago, ACME and other schools were having their
students and instructors take the tests [all of them] dozens of times. The tests were of limited numbers and the schools were having student memorize the questions and answers. Rated pilots and instructors were also taking the tests multiple times. Requiring endorsements and also yanking certificates if a pilot failed the test for a rating already held was used to keep the work load down. [Test were all given by the FAA then and they were "free."] Later lawsuits by the schools made the FAA publish the question bank [but not the answers]. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ups.com... | On Feb 15, 5:03 pm, "kevmor" wrote: | I understand it as the IRA (Instrument Rating Airplane) and FII | (Flight Instructor Instrument) tests come from the same question | bank. Does the FII test expire like the IRA does? I didn't see it in | part 61 unless I'm missing something. To me, it seems like none of | the tests expire for CFI? | | As others have said, it does expire. If you take the IRA also take the | IGI exam and get your IGI rating for free (assuming you already have | FOI). | The one difference between CFI knowledge tests and pilot knowledge | tests is that you do not need an endorsement to take the CFI knowledge | tests, just walk in and take them. I never figured out why the FAA | requires endorsements for the pilot knowledge exams. | | -Robert, CFII | |
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On Feb 16, 11:26 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote: Forty years ago, ACME and other schools were having their students and instructors take the tests [all of them] dozens of times. The tests were of limited numbers and the schools were having student memorize the questions and answers. I'll admit to having done that a few times. However, I didn't need to take the test dozens of times to do it, the bank of questions is available on the internet and ASA, etc provide all the answers already (I know you know this). It doesn't seem like there is much benefit of taking a test over and over to memorize the questions when the questions are available on the internet. Nowadays with study software you can generate tests with the same exact questions as the real test as many times as you like and take them on your PC. -Robert, CFII |
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Robert M. Gary wrote
I'll admit to having done that a few times. However, I didn't need to take the test dozens of times to do it, the bank of questions is available on the internet and ASA, etc provide all the answers already (I know you know this). It doesn't seem like there is much benefit of taking a test over and over to memorize the questions when the questions are available on the internet. But that was not the case back in the '60s and '70s. The FAA had IIRC, 4-5 individual tests with 40 questions each. There was a company in Texas that hired people to take the tests just to memorize the questions. I recall buying their booklet with all of the tests in it. I debriefed all of my students taking the tests for any changes. No one ever worked out the problems, if you had test "A", the answer to the flight planning problem was 2:47. :-) What was the name of that company and their test guide ????? Bob Moore |
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ACME SCHOOL of Aeronautics, Ft. Worth, Texas. At Meacham
Field. "Bob Moore" wrote in message 46.128... | Robert M. Gary wrote | I'll admit to having done that a few times. However, I didn't need to | take the test dozens of times to do it, the bank of questions is | available on the internet and ASA, etc provide all the answers already | (I know you know this). It doesn't seem like there is much benefit of | taking a test over and over to memorize the questions when the | questions are available on the internet. | | But that was not the case back in the '60s and '70s. The FAA had IIRC, | 4-5 individual tests with 40 questions each. There was a company in Texas | that hired people to take the tests just to memorize the questions. I | recall buying their booklet with all of the tests in it. I debriefed all | of my students taking the tests for any changes. | | No one ever worked out the problems, if you had test "A", the answer to | the flight planning problem was 2:47. :-) | | What was the name of that company and their test guide ????? | | Bob Moore |
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The questions were TOP SECRET back in the 1960-1970 era.
Courts ordered the FAA to make the questions public. That is why they are available. They were published in test books and when the FAA and Internet discovered each other, they were made available on-line. Microsoft has been around only about 25 years, the Internet about 15. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ups.com... | On Feb 16, 11:26 am, "Jim Macklin" | wrote: | Forty years ago, ACME and other schools were having their | students and instructors take the tests [all of them] dozens | of times. The tests were of limited numbers and the schools | were having student memorize the questions and answers. | | I'll admit to having done that a few times. However, I didn't need to | take the test dozens of times to do it, the bank of questions is | available on the internet and ASA, etc provide all the answers already | (I know you know this). It doesn't seem like there is much benefit of | taking a test over and over to memorize the questions when the | questions are available on the internet. | Nowadays with study software you can generate tests with the same | exact questions as the real test as many times as you like and take | them on your PC. | | -Robert, CFII | |
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
... Forty years ago, ACME and other schools were having their students and instructors take the tests [all of them] dozens of times. The tests were of limited numbers and the schools were having student memorize the questions and answers. Rated pilots and instructors were also taking the tests multiple times. That's essentially the way the public schools operate today - rote memorization. |
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