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This Veteran's Day...
On this Veteran's Day think once more of our absent friends who will sleep
forever in foreign soil. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Art, I think this day is to say thank you for guys like you who made it
back. We have Memorial Day to remember the others. - Les F-4C(WW),D,E,G(WW)/AC-130A/MC-130E EWO (ret) "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... On this Veteran's Day think once more of our absent friends who will sleep forever in foreign soil. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"Les Matheson" wrote in message
news:XkUrb.17328$In3.5623@lakeread01... Art, I think this day is to say thank you for guys like you who made it back. We have Memorial Day to remember the others. - Les F-4C(WW),D,E,G(WW)/AC-130A/MC-130E EWO (ret) Hear hear. http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0...337484,00.html John |
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John Mullen wrote:
"Les Matheson" wrote in message news:XkUrb.17328$In3.5623@lakeread01... Art, I think this day is to say thank you for guys like you who made it back. We have Memorial Day to remember the others. Hear hear. http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0...337484,00.html Yikes! That's unkind, even if apposite. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:47:13 GMT, Andrew Chaplin
wrote: John Mullen wrote: "Les Matheson" wrote in message news:XkUrb.17328$In3.5623@lakeread01... Art, I think this day is to say thank you for guys like you who made it back. We have Memorial Day to remember the others. Hear hear. http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0...337484,00.html Yikes! That's unkind, even if apposite. Much agreement. Very unkind. Nonetheless, anyone know where I could find the original words to that? (Where did it get so famous, either? I remember hearing "Lest We Forget" a lot around 11/11...But have never understood why. Yeah, I'm young.) John |
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In article , John Penta
writes On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:47:13 GMT, Andrew Chaplin wrote: John Mullen wrote: "Les Matheson" wrote in message news:XkUrb.17328$In3.5623@lakeread01... Art, I think this day is to say thank you for guys like you who made it back. We have Memorial Day to remember the others. Hear hear. http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0...337484,00.html Yikes! That's unkind, even if apposite. Much agreement. Very unkind. The pop-up burger ad makes it even more tasteless. Nonetheless, anyone know where I could find the original words to that? (Where did it get so famous, either? I remember hearing "Lest We Forget" a lot around 11/11...But have never understood why. Yeah, I'm young.) John The words are from a poem by Lawrence Binyon: For the fallen http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWbinyon.htm Remembrance Day or Armistice Day, which are the names used in the Commonwealth (I haven't been able to discover which one is the official name) always brings a tear to my eye, even though I never served in the armed forces. None of my immediate family was lost in war, but I do know people who lost friends and family in the Falklands. Three of the remaining 26 WW1 veterans left in the UK were at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday, all of them over 100 years old. -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! |
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From: Peter Twydell
(Where did it get so famous, either? I remember hearing "Lest We Forget" a lot around 11/11...But have never understood why. The words are from a poem by Lawrence Binyon: For the fallen http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWbinyon.htm No, they are not, although that poem contains some memorable and oft repeated lines. The lines are in fact from Kipling (of course!). His "Recessional" of 1897: God of our fathers, known of old-- Lord of our far-flung battle line-- Beneath whose awful hand we hold Dominion over palm and pine-- lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget--lest we forget! The tumult and the shouting dies-- The Captains and the Kings depart-- Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice. An humble and a contrite heart. Lord God of hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget--lest we forget! Far-called our navies melt away-- On dune and headland sinks the fire-- Lo, all our pomp of yesterday Is one with Nineveh and Tyre! Judge of the Nations, spare us yet, Lest we forget--lest we forget! If, drunk with sight of power, we loose Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe-- Such boastings as the Gentiles use, or lesser breeds without the Law-- Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget--lest we forget! For heathen heart that puts her trust in reeking tube and iron shard-- All valiant dust that builds on dust, And guarding calls not Thee to guard. For frantic boast and foolish word, Thy mercy on Thy People, Lord! Amen As you can see the poem is really not about remembering fallen war dead, but is, as it is subtitled, "A Victorian Ode," a warning to Britain at her height. Binyon's poem is much more apt and fitting for Nov. 11 observances, although it does not contain that famous "Lest we forget." Chris Mark |
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In article , Chris Mark
writes From: Peter Twydell (Where did it get so famous, either? I remember hearing "Lest We Forget" a lot around 11/11...But have never understood why. The words are from a poem by Lawrence Binyon: For the fallen http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWbinyon.htm No, they are not, although that poem contains some memorable and oft repeated lines. The lines are in fact from Kipling (of course!). His "Recessional" of 1897: snip good old Rudyard As you can see the poem is really not about remembering fallen war dead, but is, as it is subtitled, "A Victorian Ode," a warning to Britain at her height. Binyon's poem is much more apt and fitting for Nov. 11 observances, although it does not contain that famous "Lest we forget." Chris Mark My interpretation of John Penta's post was that he was asking where the original "They shall grow not old" came from, not "Lest we forget". -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! |
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My interpretation of John Penta's post was that he was asking where the
original "They shall grow not old" came from, not "Lest we forget". Well, now he knows where both lines come from, so he should be a happy young man. People do misuse "Lest we forget" all the time, assuming it refers to fallen comrades rather than the hubris of empire. Chris Mark |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:25:10 +0000, Peter Twydell
wrote: My interpretation of John Penta's post was that he was asking where the original "They shall grow not old" came from, not "Lest we forget". Right. But thanks to both of you nonetheless.:-) Maybe it's intentional, maybe not, but when I read Kipling aloud, I had Handel's "Hallelujah Chorus" from "Messiah" (I think?) going through my head. John |
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