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  #41  
Old March 2nd 07, 04:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Tim
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Rip writes:


Duh. Can you not parse "airborne".



Airborne = in the air. Hot-air balloons qualify, and yet I see no useful
correlation between balloon experience and fixed-wing powered aircraft
experience.



Ever been in a turkish prison, johnny?

MS flight sim prepares no one for weather-related issues with flying,
does it? You see no correlation, but if someone points one out you will
deny/dismiss or otherwise refute their comments with nothing but your
own fantasy-world "facts." Why even bother.

  #42  
Old March 2nd 07, 06:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Mxsmanic
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Tim writes:

MS flight sim prepares no one for weather-related issues with flying,
does it?


It does, although the model is imperfect. Flying in complete IMC in MSFS can
be useful for IFR practice.

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  #43  
Old March 3rd 07, 06:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Dave Reinhart
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Jay Beckman wrote:
"Dennis Johnson" wrote in message
. ..

Greetings,

I think those who are arguing that flying MS Flight Sim isn't really
"flying" are on the losing side of the argument. Flying is flying, I don't
care if it's a Cub without an electrical system or a computer running MS
Flight Sim. As far as general procedures go, MS Flight Sim gives a great
workout, and for instrument procedures, it's terrific.



It's a "Survey Sim" and is mediocre at best. Because of the broad expanse
of aircraft offered, it can't possibly fully model all aspects of each
aircraft in full fidelity. I may be wrong, but I've always understood that
that's why software like Elite or On Top devote 95% of the screen to the
panel? So that maximum processor cycles can be devoted to getting the most
fluid and precise response from the instruments?


If a person is sitting in front of an instrument panel manipulating
controls whose performance is based on aerodynamic principles, that's
flying. It might be flying a simulator, but it's still flying.



I must respectfully disagree. Flying requires action - reaction on three
axis'. Manipulating pixels in 2D (IMO) is not flying.


I think it's in our best interest to welcome anyone to this newsgroup who
is interested in aviation.



I wholeheartedly agreee. And if "The Albatross" were sincerely interested
in aviation, he'd be welcomed with open arms. As it stands, he has made it
crystal clear that he considers the experiences and collective wisdom of the
aviation community to be suspect, flying is nothing more than a hobby to be
enjoyed by the idle rich and GA aircraft are death traps.


Personally, I'm impressed with Mxsmanic's commitment to mastering
instrument procedures.



OMFG!! I guess I missed those posts while shoveling through the rest of his
cross-posted tripe.


I'll bet he could put many of us to shame.



That's a bet I'd be more than happy to take.


Give the guy a break.



Just as soon as he:
- Learns to say Thank You
- Actually listens to and attempts to learn from what others post
- Learns to say Thank You
- Stops refuting absolutely every last piece of information he's offered
- Learns to say Thank You
- Stops pronouncing that he knows better than those that "have the T-Shirt"
- Learns to say Thank You
- Stops belittling GA on GA-centric newsgroups
- Learns to say Thank You
- Stops pronouncing MSFS as the be all and end all of flight simulators
- Learns to say Thank You
- Starts using Google, FAA, AOPA, EAA, etc. websites of his own volition
- Learns to say Thank You
- Goes and takes an Intro Flight
- Learns to say Thank You

In case you didn't get it there, Sparky... It ain't so much the material as
it is the attitude.

Posting to aviation-specific newsgroups and decrying flying in general (and
GA in specific), then asking the pilot community to spoon feed him answers
(readily avialable from thousands of sources on the web) just so he can
dismiss the answers and dump on those making the effort to answer is, IMO,
the very definition of "Trolling."

In short: **** Him...

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ


Some of the add-on aircraft are quite authentic. I fly a Cardinal and
got the Dream Flight Cardinal and it does a very good job of modeling
the real airplane.

Dave Reinhart

  #44  
Old March 11th 07, 05:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Judah
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"Dennis Johnson" wrote in
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If a person is sitting in front of an instrument panel manipulating
controls whose performance is based on aerodynamic principles, that's
flying. It might be flying a simulator, but it's still flying.


By your definition, birds do something other than fly.

Flying means being carried aloft. That's how Webster sees it.

Piloting may include simulators, but flying does not.

I think it's in our best interest to welcome anyone to this newsgroup
who is interested in aviation. Personally, I'm impressed with
Mxsmanic's commitment to mastering instrument procedures. I'll bet he
could put many of us to shame.

Give the guy a break.


Manic's problem has nothing to do with flying, knowledge, or procedures.
It has everything to do with respect and attitude.

He is like a man born sightless who would scorn artists in their own
gallery because they use terms like "warm colors" and "cool colors". He
insists that colors cannot express temperature because he cannot feel any
more warmth when he touches red and yellow than when he touches blue.

He may make accurate technical statements. But, like the blind man, his
appreciation of the full experience is limited. We all know that if he had
just a momentary glimpse of the rainbow he would "get it". And for a brief
period, many of us try to help him cure his blindness. We try to describe
the colors blue and red and yellow, the feelings and emotions that are
evoked when we look at a Stained-Glass Window by Chagall, a Sunflower by
Van Gogh, or a Soup Can by Warhol. We hope that he will open his eyes, and
see, and begin to understand.

But instead he just tells us that we are wrong - that sight has nothing to
do with temperature, and he doesn't need it or want it. He says we're just
idiot artists because we can't explain blue and red and yellow to him. They
must not exist because he doesn't get it.

He will never appreciate art as anything more than the texture of ink
saturated on paper.

He is lost, and all he really has to do is open his eyes.

What a shame.
  #45  
Old March 11th 07, 08:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Mxsmanic
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Judah writes:

By your definition, birds do something other than fly.


They don't have a yoke or rudder to manipulate, and they don't get the
"leans," so by the definition of many other pilots here, they aren't flying,
either.

Flying means being carried aloft.


So elevators fly.

That's how Webster sees it.


There's no such thing as "Webster." It's a meaningless generic term applied
to dictionaries to make them sound authoritative.

Manic's problem has nothing to do with flying, knowledge, or procedures.
It has everything to do with respect and attitude.


True. People here aren't interested in being correct or incorrect, or
discussing aviation. They are interested in maintaining a social club with a
stereotypical male pecking order. I'm not interested in playing the game or
asking for permission to enter the treehouse, and so I'm the enemy. Aviation
has nothing to do with it. The nominal topic of a newsgroup _never_ has
anything to do with it, despite the claims of the club members to the
contrary.

We all know that if he had
just a momentary glimpse of the rainbow he would "get it".


No, I wouldn't. Most people have trouble understanding and accepting that not
everyone is like themselves. These people tell me that I'll "get it" when I
have experience X. But I know myself better than they do, and I know that I
won't change. I never have in the past. But that makes me different from
them, and so that is something they cannot grasp.

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