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Old April 26th 07, 02:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning
Kyle Boatright
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"flynrider via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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drclive wrote:
I been dreaming to buy a machine to do aerobatics as well as touring.
Currently I'm doing aerobatic training in a Pitts S2A, but its
avionics doesn't seem very suitable for touring or navigation
exercises. I have seems some Pitts S1S and the same problems.
Can anybody advice me what would the best solution to this?

CR

Neither the Pitts S1 or S2 versions are really suitable for touring. I
have a friend that does airshows in an S1. He loves flying the
aerobatics,
but he dreads getting there. Not only is the panel limited, the range is
not
ideal for long cross country jaunts. That narrow cockpit isn't something
I'd
want to spend a whole lot of time in (at least while straight and level).

I'd recommend looking for an RV6/7. They are great cross country
machines
and stressed for aerobatics. The controls are very light and fast. Well
suited for aerobatics.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


As an RV-6 Builder/owner/flyer, I second this recommendation. On Sunday, I
returned home (solo) from camping at SnF. With a slight tailwind, I was
cooking along at 170-180 knots. When I got bored, I performed the occasional
roll or lazy 8 to break up the monotony of a 400 nautical mile, 2.5 hour
cross country where the airplane probably burned 20 gallons of fuel.

My wife and I have taken it from Atlanta to Oshkosh several times with a
baggage area full of camping gear and full fuel tanks (good for 600+
nautical miles).

Solo and with no baggage, it is capable of +6/-3 aerobatics plus a 50%
safety factor. This means loops rolls, wingovers, split esses, Cuban 8's,
and any other "gentlemen's" aerobatics are easily within the capabilities of
the airplane.

Look hard and you can find a nice VFR equipped RV-6 for between $50k and
$60k. If you want IFR, you can pay more, or if you are willing to accept an
airplane that doesn't have the best aesthetics, you can get one for $50k.
RV-4's are priced lower than comparable RV-6's, and allegedly fly even
better at the cost of range, space, and payload.

KB


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Old April 26th 07, 02:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning
john smith[_2_]
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"Viperdoc" wrote:

I had about 350 hours in a Super Decathlon prior to getting into an Extra
300L. Both are great planes, not only for acro but also for going cross
country.


Doc, did you train with Billy Brunns?
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Old April 26th 07, 04:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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Yes, one of the greatest guys and best instructors you could ever hope to
meet. I am very fortunate to have flown with him, and he got me started in
acro as well as tail draggers.

Where are you?



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Old April 27th 07, 01:40 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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"Viperdoc" wrote:

Yes, one of the greatest guys and best instructors you could ever hope to
meet. I am very fortunate to have flown with him, and he got me started in
acro as well as tail draggers.

Where are you?


Dublin Ohio.
I knew Billy when he was wearing a chicken suit.
If he is still in your area, ask him about it.
Our mutual friend was Norm Crabtree.
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Old April 27th 07, 02:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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He's not doing airshows any more, and works part time in the Kenosha tower.
Mostly he flies around in a helicopter, and is still instructing. We talk
occasionally, especially if I have an acro question.

I'll ask him and relay the message.

..


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Old April 27th 07, 03:45 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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Viperdoc wrote:

He's not doing airshows any more, and works part time in the Kenosha tower.



Ah, part time at the tower. My goal too.
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Old April 27th 07, 03:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning
john smith[_2_]
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In article ,
"Viperdoc" wrote:

He's not doing airshows any more, and works part time in the Kenosha tower.
Mostly he flies around in a helicopter, and is still instructing. We talk
occasionally, especially if I have an acro question.

I'll ask him and relay the message.


I forgot to add, there is no one who flies the Decathlon better than
Billy. And he is also an excellent instructor in the aircraft.
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Old April 27th 07, 03:54 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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The guys in our tower have a pretty good life. Whenever he keys the mike he
has a mouth full of food, and you can hear the football games in the
background.

I think our tower chief gained 30 lbs in the last year. He's a great guy.
There used to be some real dickheads that would yell at transients and
students, but now everyone is helpful and more importantly on the ball.


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Old April 27th 07, 12:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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Absolutely true- he has the rare ability to feel and sense what the
airplane's doing, and can eke out every last ounce of performance and
energy. (The other person I've flown with who had the same ability was
Nikolai Timofeev)

Bill also helped me get my tail dragger endorsement, as well as a
substantial amount of acro training, and in fact helped me find my first
plane. The list of items where he has helped others learn could go on
forever.



 




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