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Ed Rasimus wrote:
Later with better simulators the total UPT syllabus was reduced to 188 hours with less than half of that coming prior to T-38 qualification. I got a bit over 200 total with a little over half that in the T-38. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"Brett" ,
without bothering to do even a simple reality check, wrote in message .. . "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote (BUFDRVR) wrote in message ... Fred the Red Shirt wrote: In WWII Germany declared war on the US befor the US reciprocated. Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them. Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them within the context of historical reality. ... Ed was making a fictitious example. Unless I am mistaken the part I corrected was not INTENTIONALLY ficticious. The information you provided as a "correction" was historical incorrect. http://members.aol.com/POESGIRL/Hitlerdow.htm http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/germwar.html Congressional Declaration of War on Germany December 11, 1941 The President's Message To the Congress of the United States: On the morning of Dec. 11 the Government of Germany, pursuing its course of world conquest, declared war against the United States... I therefore request the Congress to recognize a state of war between the United States and Germany, and between the United States and Italy. ... -- FF |
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"Fred the peabrain" wrote:
"Brett" , without bothering to do even a simple reality check, peabrain your claim was: "In WWII Germany declared war on the US befor the US reciprocated. Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them." The claim "Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them." is invalid. |
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Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
... He went to Congress, stood before the US Senate and said that you and he had been guilty of war crimes. That you had all committed atrocities. That you were rapists, baby-killers and violators of the Geneva convention. Would he be exhibiting "honesty to admit it"? What if everything he said was true? Would that not be honest and courageous? Can you show that Kerry, ever LITERALLY accused every soldier in Vietnam of committing war crimes? Are you the only person allowed to use analogies. Or are you misrepresenting general statements and statements of general moral responsibility? In my opinon we Americans are collectively responsible, whether for good or ill, for the invasion of Iraq. Would you take that to be an accusation that you LITERALLY commited the crimes at Abu Ghraib? Consider the following letter written On 4 Aug 1863, From William Tecumseh Sherman wrote, to John Rawlins, which read in part: "The amount of burning, stealing, and plundering done by our army makes me ashamed of it. I would quit the service if I could, because I fear that we are drifting to the worst sort of vandalism. I have endeavored to repress this class of crime, but you know how difficult it is to fix the guilt among the great mass of all army. In this case I caught the man in the act. He is acquitted because his superior officer ordered it. The superior officer is acquitted because, I suppose, he had not set the fire with his own hands and thus you and I and every commander must go through the war justly chargeable with crimes at which we blush. Now, after looking up to see what sorts of things Kerry REALLY said, and the context in which he said them, would you not consider that context to be much the same as General Sherman's remarks? It is noteworthy that certain neocons (in this context, neo-confederates) have taken the last sentence of that paragraph out of its proper context, and misatributed it to a a letter from Sherman to Grant, to prove that Sherman was an admitted war-criminal. -- FF |
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Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
Please debunk me whenever I imply. And, I will reciprocate. Hopefully in understandable metaphor. Being confident that I shall afford you the opportunity, I now thank you in advance. -- FF |
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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message m... He went to Congress, stood before the US Senate and said that you and he had been guilty of war crimes. That you had all committed atrocities. That you were rapists, baby-killers and violators of the Geneva convention. Would he be exhibiting "honesty to admit it"? What if everything he said was true? Would that not be honest and courageous? Can you show that Kerry, ever LITERALLY accused every soldier in Vietnam of committing war crimes? Are you the only person allowed to use analogies. Or are you misrepresenting general statements and statements of general moral responsibility? In my opinon we Americans are collectively responsible, whether for good or ill, for the invasion of Iraq. Would you take that to be an accusation that you LITERALLY commited the crimes at Abu Ghraib? Consider the following letter written On 4 Aug 1863, From William Tecumseh Sherman wrote, to John Rawlins, which read in part: "The amount of burning, stealing, and plundering done by our army makes me ashamed of it. I would quit the service if I could, because I fear that we are drifting to the worst sort of vandalism. I have endeavored to repress this class of crime, but you know how difficult it is to fix the guilt among the great mass of all army. In this case I caught the man in the act. He is acquitted because his superior officer ordered it. The superior officer is acquitted because, I suppose, he had not set the fire with his own hands and thus you and I and every commander must go through the war justly chargeable with crimes at which we blush. Now, after looking up to see what sorts of things Kerry REALLY said, and the context in which he said them, would you not consider that context to be much the same as General Sherman's remarks? It is noteworthy that certain neocons (in this context, neo-confederates) have taken the last sentence of that paragraph out of its proper context, and misatributed it to a a letter from Sherman to Grant, to prove that Sherman was an admitted war-criminal. Good analogy, Fred. George Z. |
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: Ed Rasimus Date: 7/16/2004 8:07 AM Pa There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals." -- John Kerry, on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971 Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" The truth hurts. Not everyone can withstand it. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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