Thrown out of an FBO...

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:47:40 +0000, Blanche wrote:
I want to sell tickets to for that show!

Well, ya' know what the Grand Canyon looks like from a distance, right?
dirty-old-man-grin

("Grumman-581" wrote)
#%^* the world...

I want to sell tickets to for that show!

Well, ya' know what the Grand Canyon looks like from a distance, right?
dirty-old-man-grin


'Sometimes an asteroid is just an asteroid.'


Montblack

mike regish wrote:

Not even close. You have nothing, zip, zilch, nada...

I have mountains of scientific data.

Wow, I've never heard that one before.

Matt

Grumman-581 wrote in
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Sorry Matt, but you have no truly objective proof of that... It seems
that every religious sect (i.e. Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Mormon,
Jew, Camel ****er, etc) thinks that the other sects are going to get the
basement level in the afterlife whereas only they are the "true
believers" and will be afforded the penthouse view... Odds are, most (if
not all) of them are wrong...

Actually, you're wrong.

Jews believe that non-Jews are welcomed into the world to come, assuming
they uphold certain basic morays. In fact, some non-Jews are at the highest
levels of the World to Come, and spend eternity studying and learning with
the greatest Rabbis and Forefathers of the Jewish people.

Additionally, Jews don't look to convert others to Judaism. In fact, they
discourage conversion, and some conversions from more "modernized" sects
are even rejected by the more Orthodox groups.

As for whether the Jews are right or not, I don't know. Maybe Mike is right
with his Atheism. Or maybe the Muslims are right. Or maybe even those guys
who believe Bob is coming back in his spaceship are right. I can't say for
sure.

But at the end of the day, there are certain things in life that I see and
I can't explain. Divinity or Synchronicity - it's just a way of explaining
the unexplainable, and it's still a dogmatic belief system no matter which
side of it your on.

Every dogma has its fleas... But that doesn't make the whole dogma evil...

And that surprises you?

mike

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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mike regish wrote:

Not even close. You have nothing, zip, zilch, nada...

I have mountains of scientific data.

Wow, I've never heard that one before.

Matt

Dylan Smith wrote in
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Hell doesn't exist, and an absence of religion isn't a religion. It's an
...absence... of religion. It is possible to have no religion, you know.

It's possible. But not likely. Atheism is not absence of religion. It's a
dogmatic belief that there is no God. It is not all that much different in
the dogmatic belief that there is a God. Or the dogmatic belief that there
are numerous Gods. Or the dogmatic belief that there is a supernatural force
that governs all things. Or the dogmatic belief that there are 4 elements
that govern all things.

Until someone can unequivocably prove one way or the other, they are all just
religions seeking answers to pretty much the same questions...

Judah wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote in
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Hell doesn't exist, and an absence of religion isn't a religion. It's
an ...absence... of religion. It is possible to have no religion, you
know.

It's possible. But not likely. Atheism is not absence of religion.

"If atheism is a religion, then _not_ collecting stamps is a hobby."

Until someone can unequivocably prove one way or the other, they are
all just religions seeking answers to pretty much the same
questions...

Claiming that atheism is a religion leads to a contradiction. Consider the
logic:

Statement X: "A person making the statement Y, "All religions are
invalid," makes the person a member of a religion R."

Assume statement X is true:

(1) The person is now in a religion R whose only precept, Y, is true,
making the religion R valid.
(2) But if the religion R is valid, then the statement Y is now false
(because by statement X there exists at least one valid religion, R).

Y is true in (1), which leads to (2), where Y is false.

Statement X is therefore self-contradictory for all values of R (including
R = atheism). Therefore atheism is not a religion.

QED ;-)

(I've added PHIL to indicate off-topic philosophical content :-))

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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Judah wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote in
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Hell doesn't exist, and an absence of religion isn't a religion. It's
an ...absence... of religion. It is possible to have no religion, you
know.

It's possible. But not likely. Atheism is not absence of religion.

"If atheism is a religion, then _not_ collecting stamps is a hobby."

The difference being that no one would ever claim that stamps don't exsist.

Jay B

"If atheism is a religion, then _not_ collecting stamps is a hobby."

Snarf.

To snarf means to take, (usually surrepticiously) an item (usually a
small one). I've just snarfed this into my quotes file. (How) would
you like to be credited when I use it?

Statement X: "A person making the statement Y, "All religions are
invalid," makes the person a member of a religion R."

What does "valid" and "invalid" mean in this context? A religion can be
valid and false, for some reasonable definitions of "valid".

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"If atheism is a religion, then _not_ collecting stamps is a hobby."
The difference being that no one would ever claim that stamps don't exsist.

Not sufficiently parallel. Stamp collectors collect stamps. Do
religions collect gods?

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.