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Eunometic wrote:
The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge against various European countries. Any proof to this absurd claim? The one you tried to use below doesn't fly. The behaviour of the US during the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues The US came in because the Europeans had allowed, through their own inaction, a local mess to become so bad they couldn't handle it themselves. The Europeans were very upset to find out their local militaries were incapable of doing much of anything, and perhaps there was a good reason after all for the US's defense budget. If this is the type of thanks the US receives after it was invited in by the Europeans to clean up their own mess in their back yard, then perhaps next time we'll let you go it alone. |
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"Eunometic" wrote in message om... The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic, clearly calculated to win favour in the middle east for the US oil interests Utter tosh The USA was initially reluctant in both cases to get involved and the first country to recognise Bosnian independence was Germany Keith |
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He also said the Nazis yested 2 atomic bombs and that the Russians had won in
Chechnya and all was quiet. If you have any doubts about German nuclear bombs you must ask yourself only 2 questions: 1) How Dr.Alvares learned "how to clean up some wires" at the literally last moment? 2)Why and how US uran production spiked in June 45? Germany nuclear technology was till occupation in April 2 years ahead of Anglo technology and Anglo bosses were aware of this. And that was the real reason why Anglos needed Normandy landings. Heck the German nuclear technology which supposed to be used by Japanase aganist advancing Americans used by Americans aganist retreating Japanase. Regarding Checnya: I did not post anything about Chechnya , much less said that Russians had won. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message
... He also said the Nazis yested 2 atomic bombs and that the Russians had won in Chechnya and all was quiet. snip Germany nuclear technology was till occupation in April 2 years ahead of Anglo technology and Anglo bosses were aware of this. And that was the real reason why Anglos needed Normandy landings. This is pure fantasy. Heck the German nuclear technology which supposed to be used by Japanase aganist advancing Americans used by Americans aganist retreating Japanase. It is just possible that a small amount of captured German fissile material was used against Japan. John |
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This is pure fantasy.
Why Eisenhover in his book "Crusade in Europa" stated that if the occupation of Germany delayed only by a couple of months,mankind would have faced its biggest disaster. Dont forget Germany was practically defeated in 1942 and in 1945 Wehrmacht could find only kids and senior citizens to fill its ranks. So how could such badly defeated country present such a gigantic danger if allies were late only by a couple of months?. Answer was Third Reichs S-weapons program which included nuclear weapons. With exception of SS own nuclear program Anglo management was aware of every development in third reich,including the achivements of von Ardenne/Houtermanns and Diebner teams. So they with exception of SS work had an excellent picture of German research and they concluded that the Germans were two years ahead of Manhattan Project and the gap was was widening. So D-Day was the only way to prevent Germany becoming worlds first and sole nuclear power. It is just possible that a small amount of captured German fissile material was used against Japan. Not a small amount ,the enriched uran production spike that you can see in June 45,is solely due German stocks. Situation of Manhattan Project in April was totally hopeless,they could build an Uran bomb but there was no Uran for that and it was impossible to produce enough Uran till bomb deadline,on other hand they had enough plutonium for a pluto bomb but they were unable to design an igniter for that. So they had basically an Uran bomb without uran and a plutonium bomb without igniter !. Their worst nighmare became a reality in the spring of 45 . But everything changed almost overnight with occupation of Germany and the arrival of U-234 This is pure fantasy. No only the least known fact,if u-234 completed her voyage, Japan would become worlds second nuclear power not US. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message
... This is pure fantasy. Why Eisenhover in his book "Crusade in Europa" stated that if the occupation of Germany delayed only by a couple of months,mankind would have faced its biggest disaster. Dont forget Germany was practically defeated in 1942 Not at all! In 1942 the tide was just beginning to turn against Germany. Far from 'practcally defeated' and in 1945 Wehrmacht could find only kids and senior citizens to fill its ranks. So how could such badly defeated country present such a gigantic danger if allies were late only by a couple of months?. Answer was Third Reichs S-weapons program which included nuclear weapons. Your problem seems to be that you cannot distinguish between plans and realities. We all know about all the wonderful weapons that the different branches of the Third Reich had *planned*. In reality, they struggled. This was the regime that never launched an aircraft carrier, and never built a convincing four-engined bomber. Whose leader fiddled away the days while his empire collapsed, sketching designs for post-war architectural projects. It was more excusable for Eisenhower to proceed on worst-case assumptions about the German nuclear programme in 1944 than it is for you to believe it 60 years later, when 60 years of research have failed to come up with any evidence at all for the things you are saying. With exception of SS own nuclear program Anglo management was aware of every development in third reich,including the achivements of von Ardenne/Houtermanns and Diebner teams. So they with exception of SS work had an excellent picture of German research and they concluded that the Germans were two years ahead of Manhattan Project and the gap was was widening. So D-Day was the only way to prevent Germany becoming worlds first and sole nuclear power. It is just possible that a small amount of captured German fissile material was used against Japan. Not a small amount ,the enriched uran production spike that you can see in June 45,is solely due German stocks. Situation of Manhattan Project in April was totally hopeless,they could build an Uran bomb but there was no Uran for that and it was impossible to produce enough Uran till bomb deadline,on other hand they had enough plutonium for a pluto bomb but they were unable to design an igniter for that. So they had basically an Uran bomb without uran and a plutonium bomb without igniter !. What is an igniter? Their worst nighmare became a reality in the spring of 45 . But everything changed almost overnight with occupation of Germany and the arrival of U-234 This is pure fantasy. No only the least known fact,if u-234 completed her voyage, Japan would become worlds second nuclear power not US. How would they have done that without the know-how they and the Nazis lacked? Are we to assume that both the Japanese and the Germans possessed the ability to make an 'igniter' (whatever that is) and yet the Americans did not? Denyav, believe me, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone. But where is your actual evidence for these beliefs? And please don't say it depends on secret papers which only you or a man you met in a pub have access to! John |
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"John Mullen" wrote in message ... "Denyav" wrote in message And please don't say it depends on secret papers which only you or a man you met in a pub have access to! John Aw now you have called his bluff. Keith |
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Not at all! In 1942 the tide was just beginning to turn against Germany. Far
from 'practcally defeated' Unlike Anglo led global alliance that had almost unlimited material and human resources,Germans had exteremely small resources,so when their advances were stopped or even slowed down only,they were basically defeated,they had no resources to fight a prolonged war. Your problem seems to be that you cannot distinguish between plans and realities. We all know about all the wonderful weapons that the different branches of the Third Reich had *planned*. Why Anglos did not and do not dispute the fact that,for example,Me262 and V-2 were developed by germans during the war? Because they were widely used during war and their existence was witnessed by the thousands of allied military personnel and civilians. I am pretty sure if they were not widely used during war and Anglos found only a couple of Me262 and V-2s in top secret underground production facilities,we would now be discussing whether Germans were able to develop fighter jets and ballistic missiles during WWII. Actually nuclear technology transfer from Germany to Anglo countries during last days of WWII and after WWII actually represented the low-end of the technology stolen from Germany. Other "wonderful weapons" that 3rd Reich planned became the basis for the advanced weapons US "developed" within last 60 years. Lets remember for the technology transfer you dont need always a component transfer,document transfer is many times sufficent. In reality, they struggled. This was the regime that never launched an aircraft carrier, and never built a convincing four-engined bomber. Whose leader fiddled away the days while his empire collapsed, sketching designs for post-war architectural projects There was NO conventional aircraft,aircraft carrier,submarine or tank project of 3rd Reich among S-Projects. During his visit to Klein-Machow facility in fall 44 Hitler was not even allowed to take his adjutant and personal bodyguard with him into the facility,much less fiddling with S-projects. It was more excusable for Eisenhower to proceed on worst-case assumptions about the German nuclear programme in 1944 than it is for you to believe it Since Ike is not alive now we cannot ask him why he wrote down that statement. 0 years later, when 60 years of research have failed to come up with any evidence at all for the things you are saying. What world heard in last 60 years was the story that victorious Anglos needed world to hear nothing else. What is an igniter? Triggering device that Dr.Alvares after inspecting U-234 cargo and debriefing U234s scientific passenger Dr.Schlicke made to work at the virtually last minute by "cleaning up some wires". (He was,like other MP scientists, unable to come up with working igniter design in previous 18 months,but never mind!) How would they have done that without the know-how they and the Nazis lacked? Are we to assume that both the Japanese and the Germans possessed the ability to make an 'igniter' (whatever that is) and yet the Americans did not? Japanase know how were coming from Germany. Unlike Von Ardenne/Houtermans group that recognized igniter problem at very early stage and started developing suitable igniter designs in late 41,Manhattan Project scientists recognized that problem very late and that was one of the major blunders of MP. So while Germans perfected their design,Manhattan Project was still trying to design one.period. German igniter was so excellent that yield of tested plutonium bomb exceeded even best predictions of Manhattan Project scientists by a big margin. Denyav, believe me, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone. But where is your actual evidence for these beliefs? One thing we all know exactly is that all documents regarding this issue is classified for 75 years,inlcluding the log of the "regular" US army division that occupied one of the German nuclear development sites. So you must check the.correspondence between Anglo management to find first clues. 1)In March 45 powerful senators asking for the termination of Manhattan project because there was no way that they can produce bomb bt the deadline. 2)Even Manhattan projects top scientists predicted in early 45 that not enough uran will be available for the bomb. 3)Everthing went according to the their predictions till June but in June an unpredicted miracle happened.Uran production spiked !. 4)Groves and Anglo management tried to explain this spike in production but in close examination everything he said failed explain the spike.So where did the extra Uran come from? From outer space maybe? 5)Igniter story is even more ridicilous. We know that Manhattan Project recognized igniter problem very late and tried for 18 months to produce a working igniter design in vain. So Manhattan Project scientists main concern was not even the success of Plutonium bomb test but was how to collect precious plutonium from the test area after failed test. So they were pretty sure that igniter wont work. But test was a great success,the yield of the bomb exceeded even most optimistic expectations of Manhattan Projecters by a great margin. How Manhattan Project scientists made a such big prediction errror? Well in closer examination you will learn that this "excellent" igniter arrived only hours before actual test date and was "designed" by Dr.Alvares (later Nobel laurate). Problem is Dr.Alvares was trying to design an igniter for last 18 months without success,so how he came up with a revolutionary design at the virtually last minute? What Anglo management did not tell the world is that Dr.Alvares was the man who inspected U-234 cargo and debriefed Dr.Schlicke and Dr.Schlicke's duty was to help Japanese to assemble the bomb.period. After war Dr.Alvares always tried to dodge questions about igniter development for 40 years. When he was asked how he developed an excellent igniter and saved US nuclear program. His answer was always enlightening,"Well,I cleaned up some wires" I am sure his answer did not make von Ardenne happy. |
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Aw now you have called his bluff.
Keith Sorry,Mr.Willshaw but is 75 years not enough? |
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