Bush/terrorism

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It's not because America stands by Jews, it's because America supports
Israel's tactics. A big difference.


Israeli agencies do not kill even one Israeli citizen for the "social
engineering" purposes and they also do not send any of their operatives
to one way missions. Thats another difference.
Just because the other side are just as bad, doesn't excuse what the
supposedly more 'civilised' Israelis do.

Just as bad? It's not exactly fair to classify the Israelis as equal in
their actions to Palestinians. The Palestinians send suicide bombers to kill
innocents, the Israelis react by bulldozing Palestinian homes, and the two
are equal? Sure, even though I'm a firm supporter of Israel, I still think
they've gone too far sometimes, but you have to take into account the fact
that their citizens are being murdered regularly. Why is the global
community so incensed that Israel doesn't want to let these murderers live
along side them? Israel has offered multiple peace settlements over the
years only to have them rejected by the Palestinians.At what point are they
allowed to stop turning the other cheek and fight back, HARD?

Condemning Israel for being harsh toward a people that are trained from
childhood to hate them and if possible, die in order to kill them, is
ridiculous. If such a situation happened in America we would (hopefully) be
willing to take strong action to destroy our enemy before they destroyed us.

"John Mark Harris" wrote:


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(Denyav) wrote:

It's not because America stands by Jews, it's because America supports
Israel's tactics. A big difference.


Israeli agencies do not kill even one Israeli citizen for the "social
engineering" purposes and they also do not send any of their operatives
to one way missions. Thats another difference.
Just because the other side are just as bad, doesn't excuse what the
supposedly more 'civilised' Israelis do.

Just as bad? It's not exactly fair to classify the Israelis as equal in
their actions to Palestinians. The Palestinians send suicide bombers to kill
innocents, the Israelis react by bulldozing Palestinian homes, and the two
are equal?

No, the Pals are entitled to defend themselves against occupation.
The Nazionists, as occupiers, have no right to collective punishment.


Sure, even though I'm a firm supporter of Israel, I still think
they've gone too far sometimes, but you have to take into account the fact
that their citizens are being murdered regularly.

Why? Could it be that they are occupying other people's land? By no
means are these attacks gratuitous.


Why is the global
community so incensed that Israel doesn't want to let these murderers live
along side them?

The global community asks: Why then do the Nazionist occupiers quit
the occupation?

Israel has offered multiple peace settlements over the
years only to have them rejected by the Palestinians.

Pure BULL****.

At what point are they
allowed to stop turning the other cheek and fight back, HARD?

The Nazionist is the aggressor - you are just spouting propaganda.

Condemning Israel for being harsh toward a people that are trained from
childhood to hate them and if possible, die in order to kill them, is
ridiculous. If such a situation happened in America we would (hopefully) be
willing to take strong action to destroy our enemy before they destroyed us.

Shallow, brain-washed "blame the victim" propaganda. Read these
quotes:

The removal of Arabs bodily from Palestine is part of the Zionist
plan to "spirit the penniless population across the frontier by
denying it employment...Both the process of expropriation and the
removal of the poor must be carried away discreetly and
circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist
Organization Complete Diaries,
June 12, 1895 entry.

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to
live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the
Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October
1983.

Vladimir Jabotinsky (the founder and advocate of the Zionist terrorist
organizations): "Has any People ever been seen to give up their
territory of their own free will? In the same way, the Arabs of
Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence."
Quoted by Maxime Rodinson in Peuple Juif ou Problem Juif. (Jewish
People or Jewish Problem).

"A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question
either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in
which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the
land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison
on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for
without an armed force which will render physically impossible any
attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is
impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!... Zionism
is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the
question of armed force. It is important... to speak Hebrew, but,
unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else
I am through with playing at colonizing."Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder
of Revisionist Zionism (precursor of Likud), The Iron Wall, 1923.

"Jewish blood and a goy's [gentile's] blood are not the same."
Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, Inferring that killing isn't murder if
the victim is Gentile. Jerusalem Post, June 19,1989.

"Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both
peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if
the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to
transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of
them.
Not one village, not one tribe should be left." Joseph Weitz, head
of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department in 1940. From "A
Solution to the Refugee Problem" Joseph Weitz, Davar, September 29,
1967, cited in Uri Davis and Norton Mevinsky, eds., Documents from
Israel, 1967-1973, p.21.

"We must expel Arabs and take their places." David Ben Gurion,
future Prime Minister of Israel, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine
Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

David Ben-Gurion, one of the father founders of Israel, described
Zionist aims in 1948 thus: "A Christian state should be
established [in Lebanon], with its southern border on the Litani
river. We will make an alliance with it. When we smash the Arab
Legion's strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan too,
and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall
bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo... And in this fashion, we will
end the war and settle our forefathers' account with Egypt, Assyria,
and Aram"

"We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters
and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab
Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

"There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here
[Palestine] to the neighboring countries, to transfer all of them;
not one village, not one tribe should be left." Jospeh Weitz, Davar,
29 September 1967 from "My Diary and Letters to the Children",
Massada, 1965, III, p. 293.

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June
1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is
only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli
General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

Ben Gurion warned in 1948 "We must do everything to insure they
(the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists
that Palestinians will never come back to their homes, "The old will
die and the young will forget."

Also Ben Gurion stated " The present map of Palestine was drawn by
the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our
youth and adults should strive to fulfill -- From the Nile to the
Euphrates."

"The only solution is Eretz Israel [Greater Israel], or at least
Western Eretz Israel [all the land west of Jordan River], without
Arabs. There is no room compromise on this point ... We must not
leave a single village, not a single tribe." Joseph Weitz, Director
of the Jewish National Fund, the Zionist agency charged with acquiring
Palestinian land, Circa 194. Machover Israca, January 5, 1973
p.2.

"In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of
consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the
country"Lord Balfour in private memorandum to Lord Curzon, 11 August
1919.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his
question, 'What is to be done with the Palestinian population?'
Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them
out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs,
published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979; Rabin's
description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan
Dalet.

Aba Eban (the Israeli Foreign Minister) stated arrogantly: " If the
General Assembly were to vote by 121 votes to 1 in favor of
"Israel" returning to the armistice lines-- (pre June 1967 borders)
"Israel" would refuse to comply with the decision." New York Times
June 19, 1967.

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do
not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I don't blame you
because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not
exist, .The Arab villages are not there either. Nahal arose in the
place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibat; Kibbutz Sarid
in the place of Huneifis; and Kfar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al
Shuman. There is not one single place that did not have a former
Arab population." Moshe Dayan's address to the Technion, Haifa (as
Quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969).

"It is forbidden to sell apartments in the Land of Israel to
Gentiles." Mordecai Eliayaho, the Israeli Chief Rabbi commenting
on an attempt by a Palestinian to buy an apartment owned by the Jewish
National Fund in East Jerusalem. Ha'aretz January 17, 1986. The
same situation was repeated many times, and that decision is
legalized now by the Israeli Supreme Court.

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations
in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out
mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." Benyamin
Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister
of Israel, tells students at Bar Ilan University, From the Israeli
journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

"Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out
against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can,
therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of
a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which
will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population.
This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs..." Vladimir
Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923.

"...if people become accustomed to the large figure and we are
actually obliged to accept the return of the refugees, we may find
it difficult, when faced with hordes of claimants, to convince the
world that not all of these formerly lived in Israeli territory. It
would, in any event, seem desirable to minimize the numbers...than
otherwise." Israeli official Arthur Lourie in a letter to Walter
Eytan, director general of the Israeli Foreign Ministry (ISA FM
2564/22). From Benny Morris, "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee
Problem 1947-49", p. 297.

David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): " If I were an
Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is
normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to
us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There
has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that
their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen
their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann
in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep
Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future
generations, for the mass aliya [immigration], and for the Jewish
people, all of whom will be gathered into this country." Former Prime
Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for
former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio
Service.


"[The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin,
speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, 'Begin and the
"Beasts"', New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do
about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a
bottle."
Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New
York Times, 14 April 1983.

Grantland