Left can't read well nor do they understand Constitution

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote
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Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)


So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the
military
police have no power to seize and hold him?

Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


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The Raven
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** since August 15th 2000.

"The Raven" wrote in message
...

Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military Police
Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an expert
on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves
"nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"The Raven" wrote in message
...

Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage
facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not
a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military
Police
Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an
expert
on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves
"nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives.

Now what if they we're the child of someone serving in a foreign military
force (eg. "good guys")?

--
The Raven
http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3
** President of the ozemail.* and uunet.* NG's
** since August 15th 2000.

Subject: Left can't read well nor do they understand Constitution
From: "The Raven"
Date: 1/16/04 4:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote
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message ...

Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)


So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the
military
police have no power to seize and hold him?

Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


--
The Raven
http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3


There is no such thing as a natural right to tresspass.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:11:40 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"The Raven" wrote in message
...

Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?


Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military Police
Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an expert
on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves
"nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives.



Chuckle...Colin didn't say that...he said that usually a summons to
appear before a federal magistrate was issued for minor problems...and
if the problem wasn't minor, then the offender was held pending arrest
by either the FBI or the US Marshals.

ck
--
country doc in louisiana
(no fancy sayings right now)

Subject: Left can't read well nor do they understand Constitution
From: charles krin
Date: 1/16/04 7:03 AM Pacific

ck
--
country doc in louisiana
(no fancy sayings right now)



Do you know Dr. Paul Shorts in Lake Charles?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:47:12 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in
message ...

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).



So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the military
police have no power to seize and hold him?

Did you read what I posted?


"It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the
Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel.
A group of people with money and weaponry have simply
decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and
want, eventally, to exterminate us."
'Christian Century' magazine

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...
"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in
message ...

Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)


So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the military
police have no power to seize and hold him?

Of course they do. They just don't have the power to arrest him.

"RTO Trainer" wrote in message
om...
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote
in
message ...

Actually, no.

The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the
UCMJ.

What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject
is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate.
For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of
the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest).

(I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at
Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional
issues.)


So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the
military
police have no power to seize and hold him?

Of course they do. They just don't have the power to arrest him.

Military police are not trained to collect evidence for a civilian
prosecution and therefore they wait for help in these matters. The person
is already arrested when the military seizes them, but the military police
are not trained for an investigation leading to a conviction, in civilian
courts.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:06:11 +1100, "The Raven"
wrote:


Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility
doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a
specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her?

Your hypothetical does not work. First of all, an armed person
attempting to improperly gain entry into a 'Level A' security site
would be shot without warning.

If he were simply on the base proper - he would be disarmed and a
investigation would be made to determine if he had permission to be on
the base (ie signed in as a guest, hunting/fishing permit, contractor
employee, etc).

If he was signed in as a guest then the sponsor would be collected up
for a 'nice' talk with the CI (Counter Intelligence) folks.

Since his status would be both as a foreign national and a juvenile -
the FBI would be called and he would be turned over to them (for some
rather complex legal reasons we cannot 'cite and release' certain
people). The 'on call' JAG lawyer would come by and present him with
a 'Bar Letter' (making it a felony for him to ever come back on post).

BTW, the firearm would be seized and eventually destroyed.



"It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the
Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel.
A group of people with money and weaponry have simply
decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and
want, eventally, to exterminate us."
'Christian Century' magazine