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Jeremy,
I stand ready to discuss a serious problem that exists in sailplane racing, just as soon as you can control your emotions enough to stop hurling insults. Your posting on ras is mild compared to the torrent of abuse you used in your private E-mail to me. I know this isn't the best time to discuss this, but tell me just when is the best time to take action to prevent the next needless tragidy? JJ Sinclair At 08:36 11 August 2005, Jeremy Hood wrote: JJ, You are clearly a total moron. I emailed you personally about this subject, yet you persist in your irresponsible, innaccurate, and sensationalist cr@p. You have no idea what you are talking about. Do us all a favour and shut up. At 01:54 11 August 2005, Jj Sinclair wrote: Well, Kirk, the first poster said the pilot was finishing. He also said the pilot was arrested, why? Because he committed a homicide. That's right he was responsible for the death of an innocent bystander. This tragic loss of life occured because the junior pilot was performing the prescribed finish maneuver. He was flying the finish gate because that's what we do, we sanction it, its in our rules. The local authoraties did their job, they arrested the guy responsible and the competition was suspended. How many more finish gate accidents must we endure before this outmoded, unneccessary and proven unsafe finish gate is abolished and replaced by the mandatory GPS finish cylinder? You really don't want to argue that the pilot wasn't operating his aircraft below 500 feet (not in the act of landing) and that he wasn't within 500 feet of a person, do you? JJ Sinclair wrote: Condolences to all affected by this tragedy. But, JJ, tell me how a correctly performed contest finish at 50 ft (per current SRA rules) and per FARs (no overflying of people, man-made objects, reckless, etc) has direct relevance with this accident? By your logic, takeoffs should be done away with (ref groundloop that hit and injured spectator at Tonopah) at contests, too. And how do you know it was a finish - it could have been a pre-arranged photo op after the finish, coordinated between the photographer and the pilot - that went horribly wrong. Not the first time that has happened. Sorry, you are on the wrong soapbox this time. Take a deep breath and go fix a glider or something. Kirk 66 |
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On 11 Aug 2005 16:53:01 GMT, John Sinclair
wrote: Jeremy, I stand ready to discuss a serious problem that exists in sailplane racing, just as soon as you can control your emotions enough to stop hurling insults. Your posting on ras is mild compared to the torrent of abuse you used in your private E-mail to me. I know this isn't the best time to discuss this, but tell me just when is the best time to take action to prevent the next needless tragidy? After the facts of the incident are know. Not when you are speculating on the causes. JJ Sinclair At 08:36 11 August 2005, Jeremy Hood wrote: JJ, You are clearly a total moron. I emailed you personally about this subject, yet you persist in your irresponsible, innaccurate, and sensationalist cr@p. You have no idea what you are talking about. Do us all a favour and shut up. At 01:54 11 August 2005, Jj Sinclair wrote: Well, Kirk, the first poster said the pilot was finishing. He also said the pilot was arrested, why? Because he committed a homicide. That's right he was responsible for the death of an innocent bystander. This tragic loss of life occured because the junior pilot was performing the prescribed finish maneuver. He was flying the finish gate because that's what we do, we sanction it, its in our rules. The local authoraties did their job, they arrested the guy responsible and the competition was suspended. How many more finish gate accidents must we endure before this outmoded, unneccessary and proven unsafe finish gate is abolished and replaced by the mandatory GPS finish cylinder? You really don't want to argue that the pilot wasn't operating his aircraft below 500 feet (not in the act of landing) and that he wasn't within 500 feet of a person, do you? JJ Sinclair wrote: Condolences to all affected by this tragedy. But, JJ, tell me how a correctly performed contest finish at 50 ft (per current SRA rules) and per FARs (no overflying of people, man-made objects, reckless, etc) has direct relevance with this accident? By your logic, takeoffs should be done away with (ref groundloop that hit and injured spectator at Tonopah) at contests, too. And how do you know it was a finish - it could have been a pre-arranged photo op after the finish, coordinated between the photographer and the pilot - that went horribly wrong. Not the first time that has happened. Sorry, you are on the wrong soapbox this time. Take a deep breath and go fix a glider or something. Kirk 66 |
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That really makes me want to pay attention to an intellectual such as
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Likewise with your post Gary.
What are you adding to the discussion apart from being sarcastic toward a someone who has clearly just lost a close friend? Nick. |
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No sarcasm intended but calling people names never really solved any
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And by the way, this is one reason I rarely respond to any postings on
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This event is 'sub judice' and is being investigated
by the police and the AIB on behalf of HM Coroner. In view of the serious nature of the event and the tragic consequences I would urge everyone to think of the wisdom of comment until the facts are known, and they will be in due course. I feel that it is inappropriate for people to be exchanging personal insults at any time but especially now. Can we please all agree that everyone has an opinion but for the time being it may be best that such opinions are not publicly expressed. At 17:36 11 August 2005, Bob wrote: On 11 Aug 2005 16:53:01 GMT, John Sinclair wrote: Jeremy, I stand ready to discuss a serious problem that exists in sailplane racing, just as soon as you can control your emotions enough to stop hurling insults. Your posting on ras is mild compared to the torrent of abuse you used in your private E-mail to me. I know this isn't the best time to discuss this, but tell me just when is the best time to take action to prevent the next needless tragidy? After the facts of the incident are know. Not when you are speculating on the causes. JJ Sinclair At 08:36 11 August 2005, Jeremy Hood wrote: JJ, You are clearly a total moron. I emailed you personally about this subject, yet you persist in your irresponsible, innaccurate, and sensationalist cr@p. You have no idea what you are talking about. Do us all a favour and shut up. At 01:54 11 August 2005, Jj Sinclair wrote: Well, Kirk, the first poster said the pilot was finishing. He also said the pilot was arrested, why? Because he committed a homicide. That's right he was responsible for the death of an innocent bystander. This tragic loss of life occured because the junior pilot was performing the prescribed finish maneuver. He was flying the finish gate because that's what we do, we sanction it, its in our rules. The local authoraties did their job, they arrested the guy responsible and the competition was suspended. How many more finish gate accidents must we endure before this outmoded, unneccessary and proven unsafe finish gate is abolished and replaced by the mandatory GPS finish cylinder? You really don't want to argue that the pilot wasn't operating his aircraft below 500 feet (not in the act of landing) and that he wasn't within 500 feet of a person, do you? JJ Sinclair wrote: Condolences to all affected by this tragedy. But, JJ, tell me how a correctly performed contest finish at 50 ft (per current SRA rules) and per FARs (no overflying of people, man-made objects, reckless, etc) has direct relevance with this accident? By your logic, takeoffs should be done away with (ref groundloop that hit and injured spectator at Tonopah) at contests, too. And how do you know it was a finish - it could have been a pre-arranged photo op after the finish, coordinated between the photographer and the pilot - that went horribly wrong. Not the first time that has happened. Sorry, you are on the wrong soapbox this time. Take a deep breath and go fix a glider or something. Kirk 66 |
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This suggestion perhaps doesn't have relevance for
this particular accident. Your point is taken, and you are right. I don't know if in this particular case he was intending to photo the glider that hit him or a different photo. I think I was just expressing some helplessness that this kind of thing happens at all, and trying to feel like there is something I could contribute that might help, even if it wasn't a good suggestion... But yes, Bruce, I see your point, and may have strayed off topic. My God, though, the man took some astonishingly great photos...thank you for the link. At 06:00 11 August 2005, Bruce Hoult wrote: In article , M B wrote: Crazy idea: how about putting a whistle on the gear door so when the gear is down it whistles through the air? Also works as a gear indicator. I dunno, maybe not a great idea, but something. As you sugesting that he didn't know the glider was there? Becuase if not then that suggestion is pretty irelevant to this tragedy. I don't think you get pics such as the following by not knowing that the glider is the http://www.whiteplanes.com/gliders/gliders23.htm -- Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+- Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O---------- Mark J. Boyd |
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What got me so angry was you stupid, insensitive posting,
not the underlying issue that you feel is present in gliding. Have a clue man: a tragic accident occurs which affects many in the gliding world, and you wait all of 12 hours to start sounding off with you own personal agenda. I don't feel I was hurling insults, but placing them where they are most definately needed. By the way, for the record, here is my private email to you, which I stand by, so all can judge the 'torrent of abuse' I gave you: 'John, How dare you use the very tragic news of the Junior worlds accident to further illustrate your own personal views on finish lines. I find your posting completely insensitive, very poorly timed, and judged. You don't know what actually happened, as you were not there- so why bother with the posting at all? I am actually disgusted with you- next time think about what you're saying. Jez Hood' Now I'm just disappointed with you. At 16:54 11 August 2005, John Sinclair wrote: Jeremy, I stand ready to discuss a serious problem that exists in sailplane racing, just as soon as you can control your emotions enough to stop hurling insults. Your posting on ras is mild compared to the torrent of abuse you used in your private E-mail to me. I know this isn't the best time to discuss this, but tell me just when is the best time to take action to prevent the next needless tragidy? JJ Sinclair At 08:36 11 August 2005, Jeremy Hood wrote: JJ, You are clearly a total moron. I emailed you personally about this subject, yet you persist in your irresponsible, innaccurate, and sensationalist cr@p. You have no idea what you are talking about. Do us all a favour and shut up. At 01:54 11 August 2005, Jj Sinclair wrote: Well, Kirk, the first poster said the pilot was finishing. He also said the pilot was arrested, why? Because he committed a homicide. That's right he was responsible for the death of an innocent bystander. This tragic loss of life occured because the junior pilot was performing the prescribed finish maneuver. He was flying the finish gate because that's what we do, we sanction it, its in our rules. The local authoraties did their job, they arrested the guy responsible and the competition was suspended. How many more finish gate accidents must we endure before this outmoded, unneccessary and proven unsafe finish gate is abolished and replaced by the mandatory GPS finish cylinder? You really don't want to argue that the pilot wasn't operating his aircraft below 500 feet (not in the act of landing) and that he wasn't within 500 feet of a person, do you? JJ Sinclair wrote: Condolences to all affected by this tragedy. But, JJ, tell me how a correctly performed contest finish at 50 ft (per current SRA rules) and per FARs (no overflying of people, man-made objects, reckless, etc) has direct relevance with this accident? By your logic, takeoffs should be done away with (ref groundloop that hit and injured spectator at Tonopah) at contests, too. And how do you know it was a finish - it could have been a pre-arranged photo op after the finish, coordinated between the photographer and the pilot - that went horribly wrong. Not the first time that has happened. Sorry, you are on the wrong soapbox this time. Take a deep breath and go fix a glider or something. Kirk 66 |
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I'd just like to add that I'm sure a lot more of us
are thinking what Jeremy is saying. As he is the current Junior World Champion, I for one think he's the right one to say it. At 09:00 12 August 2005, Jeremy Hood wrote: What got me so angry was you stupid, insensitive posting, not the underlying issue that you feel is present in gliding. Have a clue man: a tragic accident occurs which affects many in the gliding world, and you wait all of 12 hours to start sounding off with you own personal agenda. I don't feel I was hurling insults, but placing them where they are most definately needed. By the way, for the record, here is my private email to you, which I stand by, so all can judge the 'torrent of abuse' I gave you: 'John, How dare you use the very tragic news of the Junior worlds accident to further illustrate your own personal views on finish lines. I find your posting completely insensitive, very poorly timed, and judged. You don't know what actually happened, as you were not there- so why bother with the posting at all? I am actually disgusted with you- next time think about what you're saying. Jez Hood' Now I'm just disappointed with you. At 16:54 11 August 2005, John Sinclair wrote: Jeremy, I stand ready to discuss a serious problem that exists in sailplane racing, just as soon as you can control your emotions enough to stop hurling insults. Your posting on ras is mild compared to the torrent of abuse you used in your private E-mail to me. I know this isn't the best time to discuss this, but tell me just when is the best time to take action to prevent the next needless tragidy? JJ Sinclair At 08:36 11 August 2005, Jeremy Hood wrote: JJ, You are clearly a total moron. I emailed you personally about this subject, yet you persist in your irresponsible, innaccurate, and sensationalist cr@p. You have no idea what you are talking about. Do us all a favour and shut up. At 01:54 11 August 2005, Jj Sinclair wrote: Well, Kirk, the first poster said the pilot was finishing. He also said the pilot was arrested, why? Because he committed a homicide. That's right he was responsible for the death of an innocent bystander. This tragic loss of life occured because the junior pilot was performing the prescribed finish maneuver. He was flying the finish gate because that's what we do, we sanction it, its in our rules. The local authoraties did their job, they arrested the guy responsible and the competition was suspended. How many more finish gate accidents must we endure before this outmoded, unneccessary and proven unsafe finish gate is abolished and replaced by the mandatory GPS finish cylinder? You really don't want to argue that the pilot wasn't operating his aircraft below 500 feet (not in the act of landing) and that he wasn't within 500 feet of a person, do you? JJ Sinclair wrote: Condolences to all affected by this tragedy. But, JJ, tell me how a correctly performed contest finish at 50 ft (per current SRA rules) and per FARs (no overflying of people, man-made objects, reckless, etc) has direct relevance with this accident? By your logic, takeoffs should be done away with (ref groundloop that hit and injured spectator at Tonopah) at contests, too. And how do you know it was a finish - it could have been a pre-arranged photo op after the finish, coordinated between the photographer and the pilot - that went horribly wrong. Not the first time that has happened. Sorry, you are on the wrong soapbox this time. Take a deep breath and go fix a glider or something. Kirk 66 |
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