Ban privately-owned PLANES

B1ackwater wrote:
I can see requiring some extra training, maybe some
minor security check, before letting Joe Pilot fly
his Piper through the middle of NYC.

You mean SPECIAL protection for the rich of Upper Manhattan - while
the rest of us get the fallout (literally) of planes flown by private
pilots who barely can fly? Because that's what you imply! Let any
rich idiot who can afford much more plane than he can handle safely fly
it over the nobodies - as that Kennedy heir did - as long as he doesn't
drop his mishandled boy toy onto those rich people in Manhattan.

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(RadicalModerate) writes:

In misc.survivalism wrote:

He hit an apartment building for the rich - where apartments start
at over $1 million. Maybe because of that, longtime antigun nut Rep.
Carolyn Maloney demanded that flights over densely-populated areas be
banned.


Maloney being a Gun Grabber doesn't invalidate the debate about
general aviation usage over big cities.
I think it would be common sense to disallow inexperienced pilots or
even amateur pilots to overfly major cities.

Perhaps a special license endorsement for "Class B" (big city) airspace
which would require an instrument rating and minimum cume time-in-type
plus minimum time-per-month ( to assure proficiency ) is in order.

How about CFI? That's (at least) what the pilot in the NYC crash had.

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"NrDg" wrote:

For legal purposes not flying part 135 air taxi or 121 airline is amateur
flying even if the pilot has a commercial or ATP rating.

That's the single most ridiculous thing I've read this week.

You're telling me that a pilot for, say, Netjets, who flies various
business jets under Part 91 all over the world, is engaging in "amateur
flying" when he goes to work? That's news to the nearly 3,000 pilots
who work there.



I looked up "amateur" in the dictionary, and folks who make their living
as non-121/135 pilots don't fit any definition of "amateur" I've ever
heard of. Here's the definition, in case you're unfamiliar:


amateur

n.

Beavis wrote:
In article ,

3. One lacking the skill of a professional, as in an art.



I try to be professional about my flying. I just don't do it
as a career.

On 12 Oct 2006 15:29:28 -0700, "
wrote:

B1ackwater wrote:
I can see requiring some extra training, maybe some
minor security check, before letting Joe Pilot fly
his Piper through the middle of NYC.

You mean SPECIAL protection for the rich of Upper Manhattan - while
the rest of us get the fallout (literally) of planes flown by private
pilots who barely can fly?

Actually, I meant the entire NY (Boston/Jersey/Baltimore/DC/
Atlanta/Jacksonville/Orlando/Miami/Tampa/New Orleans/Chigago/
Houston/ Denver/Phoenix/LA/SanFran/Seattle/etc) urban areas ...
not JUST the parts that belong to 'rich people'. If there's
pretty much no place to land that won't put you through
SOMEBODYS roof then I'd advocate special training and
licencing. Doesn't have to be super-severe ... but it needs
to be addressed.

So take your class war crap and shove it where crap belongs.

In article , (B1ackwater)
wrote:

B1ackwater wrote:
I can see requiring some extra training, maybe some
minor security check, before letting Joe Pilot fly
his Piper through the middle of NYC.

You mean SPECIAL protection for the rich of Upper Manhattan - while
the rest of us get the fallout (literally) of planes flown by private
pilots who barely can fly?

Actually, I meant the entire NY (Boston/Jersey/Baltimore/DC/
Atlanta/Jacksonville/Orlando/Miami/Tampa/New Orleans/Chigago/
Houston/ Denver/Phoenix/LA/SanFran/Seattle/etc) urban areas ...
not JUST the parts that belong to 'rich people'. If there's
pretty much no place to land that won't put you through
SOMEBODYS roof then I'd advocate special training and
licencing. Doesn't have to be super-severe ... but it needs
to be addressed.

Training like for part 135? Like the part 135 guy who planted a twin in
Dorchester?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Class B DEN -- is out in the middle of nowhere, nothing urban anywhere
around, 20 miles from downtown Denver. Almost entirely agriculture in
the 10miles around it, what's better known as "Area of Influence".

As for "special training", I always thought that's what I learned in
my ASEL training.

And as for flying a piper thru downtown NYC, have you bothered to take
a look at the flight paths to JFK from the west? Directly over
the center of Manhattan. In fact, if you examine the flight paths
of most aircraft coming/going to Class B airports (again, DEN is
an exception due to its location) you'll find almost every aircraft
is routed directly over high-density population areas. LAX, from the
west, doesn't have quite as severe a problem (ocean, you know).