What crashed in front of us today?

Mike Marron

wrote:.I, for one, just don't think EAA is everything
it's all cracked up to be (no pun intended).

That is debatable..........sincerely!! I can see why many folks feel this way.
VL

"MLenoch" wrote in message
...
Mike Marron

wrote:.I, for one, just don't think EAA is everything
it's all cracked up to be (no pun intended).

That is debatable..........sincerely!! I can see why many folks feel this
way.

EAA has demonstrated excellent political skills.

In article ,
nt (Gordon) wrote:


Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it
again. And again. ... :}


LOL

Steve, I think he actually got it out of his system - at least for now!

"For now". Exactly. :}

Of course, my daughter is another story. We stood under the Atlas ICBM standing
in front of the air museum hosting the EAA yesterday. She looked the giant
rocket over carefully, then asked,

"...Can I ride it...?"

Excellent!

"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

EAA has demonstrated excellent political skills.

True. Glad ya' pointed that out. But do us light sportsters a big
favor and stick with the "heavy iron" pitot tubes and stuff, OK?

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
...
"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

EAA has demonstrated excellent political skills.

True. Glad ya' pointed that out. But do us light sportsters a big
favor and stick with the "heavy iron" pitot tubes and stuff, OK?

Take it to the rah, then.

Hi Andrew

Ahhhhhhh, because of that experience, you ended up joining the Army and
became a bird gunner so you could shoot aircraft down with Blowpipes,
eh??????????

Cheers...Chris

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:31:47 GMT, Andrew Chaplin
wrote:

Steve Hix wrote:

You did good Gordon. I envy your son, being as there is nothing much to
match the feeling of your first flight (passenger or not).

Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it
again. And again. ... :}

I'll say he did good, all right. It takes me back to my first flight
in a Cessna (150, I think; I wasn't old enough to discriminate) at the
Maxville Highland Games in 1964. It cost my mother $20 or so for the
two of us (a lot out of her budget) for a 15 minute flight and I
really think I was an excuse so my mother could justify going up
herself. I was enraptured. When the pilot turned on final after about
only eight minutes, my mother pointed this out to him, so we did a
touch-and-go and another little jaunt. Certainly the high point of my
life up to that point.

Memories, my first flight was in an AeroCommander, circa 1063. It
belonged to a friend of my mother's, so no cost (I doubt if we could
have afforded it). Wonderful a/c, and as I recall a super pilot.

Al Minyard

av8r wrote:

Hi Andrew

Ahhhhhhh, because of that experience, you ended up joining the Army and
became a bird gunner so you could shoot aircraft down with Blowpipes,
eh??????????

I am yet another guy whose amblyopia was bad enough to disqualify him
for pilot, yet keep him V1 (actually, 111112, damn it). I could have
gone Nav, but chose MARS instead. My troop commander sent me on
Blowpipe course when I should have been doing the NOIB, so I would up
with my third choice, the Herbies.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

No kidding? You must be *damn* old to pre-date CAP and their 60-year record
of
free flights for youngsters.

That's very wonderful Gord but you missed my point entirely (goes back
to what I said above regarding you simply trying to start a flamewar).

Yor posting made it clear that you felt that getting a free first ride was some
sort of modern invention. If thats incorrect, it sure read that way.

snip rest of the post that turns my son's first flight experience into an
"All
About Mike" post

Suspicions confirmed (Ol' Gord's ready to rrrrrrrrRRRUMBLE!)

Mike, I asked two questions at the bottom of my post. What was it, and, second
question, was everyone ok?

So you couldn't answer either question that I asked, told me its my fault
you
couldn't answer it, then spent half a page telling us all about your issues
with EAA, and your trike and why its somehow better than what everybody else
flies. Does that sum it up?

More of the same fighting words. First, I saw only one question asking
about the type of weird French-looking plane that, according to you,
couldn't get out of its own way and crashed.

I don't recall saying or suggesting it 'couldn't get out of its own way',
although you've stated that I did now, twice.

I looked, but damn if I
could find a second question.

1-800-Contacts.

What was it again? With regards to my
so-called "issues" with EAA and my trike, well, thems YOUR words not
mine.

Well, your post was about three lines of answering mine, and several paragraphs
taking shots at EAA. How would you characterize your relationship with them?

We've all seen 'em before..the usual
assortment of vintage trainers such as BT-13's, T-6's, Stearman's,
T-28's etc. [yawn]

In the 'world according to Mike', there are fabulous trikes, and everything
else pales. I get it. We all get it.

Is that a royal "we" or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Good answer.

along with the boring, underpowered, hot and
cramped Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches et. al. tired old spamcans
[even bigger YAWN]

Luckily, I got my son a ride in a gorgeous Grumman Yankee. I know you'll
have
a disparaging comment about it too, but it won't diminish it, or my son's
exciting experience.

Huh? I remember my first exciting experience in a 172 spamcan around
the age of 10 or 11 years. We (the CFI, me in the right seat, my Dad
in the back seat) took off out of Stapleton Int'l and went up for an
all-too-brief sightseeing trip around the foothills of the Rockies. I
was literally bouncing up and down in my seat barely able to contain
myself -- 'till I looked behind and saw my ol' man calmly sitting
there all sprawled out in the backseat looking like he was bored stiff
(which is undoubtedly was, being the old fighter pilot he was). To
this day, I think he went along just to be amused by my antics, but
either way, the only "disparaging" or "diminishing" fighting words I
can see from where I'm sitting are coming from YOU.

Let me try then - I think your trike is [YAWN] and [BORING]. You shoot down
what everyone else flies, then act like I am the one that came on with napalm.


What I AM learning from you is that my own ride, the SH-2F, probably is as
boring for people to read about as your trike. So, it is a growth
experience
for me to read your posts after all.

More fightin' words. Somebody **** in your Wheaties this morning?

You did, Mike. Instead of replying that you had no idea what the French
aircraft might be, my two simple questions brought out yet another "all about
Mike's fabulous trike" reply. It gets old.

Now, if you really want to impress your son, ask Poberenzy or some
EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that
supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members
[ya right] They'd probably look at you as if you're an idiot or
something even for asking!

That certainly sounds like you were simply trying to help answer my questions,
doesn't it?

My son was greatly impressed by the free ride that EAA provided. No one
looked
at us like idiots, no one told us we had to pay to help maintain a warbird
half
a continent away - they just gave my son a great experience. I don't
understand why you'd reply to my initial post for no reason other than to
crack
on the EAA and every other type of GA except your own.

I did not, but you obviously have chosen to respond in a provocative
manner.

....... I believe your initial reply was not nearly as cordial as you now
pretend.

(Trikes RULE)

Yeah, Mike, we all got your message. Sheesh.

There ya' go again with the "WE" crap. And I don't believe that you
got the message at all. The message is; for a tiny fraction of the
cost one can fly a trike or fixed-wing light sport aircraft and have
just as much FUN as you have in your Glasair or Poberezny has
in his P-51 or Joe GA has in his Cessna spamcan. And "WE" don't
need EAA or any other organization to introduce newbies at any age
to aviation. Nobody will argue that the "Young Eagles" program is
a noble program, but not at the expense at missing the organization's
charter (my not-so-humble opinion and many others too).
Trikes and fixed-wing light sport aircraft pilots, not EAA or any EAA
"program" are rejuvunating General Aviation. Don't look
now, but the growth of trikes and light sport aircraft over the past
decade has been phenomenal, no thanks to EAA who originally
shunned the light sport crowd in favor of planes costing $100,000 or
more.

Your turn...you go get 'um Gord! Grrr...

Thanks for the Trike World update. I'm going off to thank the folks that read
my first post and simply gave me good info in return.

Gordon

Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US)

Seriously? I've seen a heck of a lot more downed motorcycles than GA a/c.


Actually, injuries from riding horses exceed those of all other sports
including riding motorcycles. (Trust me - I'm an avid rider who's been bucked
off, and I work with injured riders) However, I admit I don't know how the
stats would match up against GA flying. I believe the horses would still "win"
- they seem to want to think on their own!