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New security bulletin
Filed an IFR plan yesterday and got the new McMinnville bulletin. Don't remember it verbatim, but it's in regard to airspace usage during certain pro and collegiate sporting events, open assemblies of 30,000 people or more. Then it said something about monitoring 121.5 and listening to instructions if you're intercepted or if you see signal flares. The bulletin says that if you fail to follow instructions, "force" may be applied. Meanwhile, flying over the Columbia last week I saw a couple more bulk freighters coming in. All those stacks of virtually-unscreened shipping containers... -c |
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I got a briefing yesterday for a VFR cross country and noticed the very same
thing about the flares and the possibility for the use of force for non-compliance. -- Chris Ehlbeck, PPASEL "It's a license to learn." "gatt" wrote in message ... Filed an IFR plan yesterday and got the new McMinnville bulletin. Don't remember it verbatim, but it's in regard to airspace usage during certain pro and collegiate sporting events, open assemblies of 30,000 people or more. Then it said something about monitoring 121.5 and listening to instructions if you're intercepted or if you see signal flares. The bulletin says that if you fail to follow instructions, "force" may be applied. Meanwhile, flying over the Columbia last week I saw a couple more bulk freighters coming in. All those stacks of virtually-unscreened shipping containers... -c |
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lol can you imagine the public backlash if an f15 blasted someone's c150 out
of the sky. I think this is an election year for you guys, so have no fear I can't see them shooting anyone down. "Chris Ehlbeck" wrote in message .. . I got a briefing yesterday for a VFR cross country and noticed the very same thing about the flares and the possibility for the use of force for non-compliance. -- Chris Ehlbeck, PPASEL "It's a license to learn." "gatt" wrote in message ... Filed an IFR plan yesterday and got the new McMinnville bulletin. Don't remember it verbatim, but it's in regard to airspace usage during certain pro and collegiate sporting events, open assemblies of 30,000 people or more. Then it said something about monitoring 121.5 and listening to instructions if you're intercepted or if you see signal flares. The bulletin says that if you fail to follow instructions, "force" may be applied. Meanwhile, flying over the Columbia last week I saw a couple more bulk freighters coming in. All those stacks of virtually-unscreened shipping containers... -c |
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lol can you imagine the public backlash if an f15 blasted someone's c150 out of the sky. Yes. I can imagine the newsgroups full of posts complaining about that idiot pilot and the harm he did to general aviation. I can see the administration feeding the press the story that this was a huge threat and pumping up what terrorist damage a small airplane can do, and that there was no time to consider alternatives (like the cops who shoot somebody who brandishes a toy gun). I can see this as JUSTIFYING huge TFRs around events, with multple rings and multple escalations of force for intrusions. I hope it doesn't come to that, and there is a good chance that it wouldn't. However, I would not bet on it. Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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It would not take long for the fighter's to get there from PDX and to a
fighter a C-150 would be like a target that is standing still. Hey gatt ever been at the end of runway 28L at PDX near the embassy suites when a flock or fighters takes off using runway 10R? Talk about going def every time I see them go I never have my camcorder with me one of these days ill get video of it. "Teacherjh" wrote in message ... lol can you imagine the public backlash if an f15 blasted someone's c150 out of the sky. Yes. I can imagine the newsgroups full of posts complaining about that idiot pilot and the harm he did to general aviation. I can see the administration feeding the press the story that this was a huge threat and pumping up what terrorist damage a small airplane can do, and that there was no time to consider alternatives (like the cops who shoot somebody who brandishes a toy gun). I can see this as JUSTIFYING huge TFRs around events, with multple rings and multple escalations of force for intrusions. I hope it doesn't come to that, and there is a good chance that it wouldn't. However, I would not bet on it. Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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(like the cops who shoot somebody who brandishes a toy gun). Personally, I am generally willing to give the cop the benefit of the doubt, and I would probably be even more likely to extend it to the pilot who shot down a plane that didn't follow instructions. (Unless it were a Cub, of course. Anybody who shoots down a Cub deserves Leavenworth or whatever they give to bad troops these days.) all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com |
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Vigo wrote:
lol can you imagine the public backlash if an f15 blasted someone's c150 out of the sky. I think this is an election year for you guys, so have no fear I can't see them shooting anyone down. This sounds like every day life in and around the Wasington ADIZ. They don't blast you out of the sky (ADIZ), but they do force you to land. --- Jay -- __!__ Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___ http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! ! http://www.oceancityairport.com http://www.oc-adolfos.com |
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Jay Masino wrote:
This sounds like every day life in and around the Wasington ADIZ. They don't blast you out of the sky (ADIZ), but they do force you to land. Maybe "force" isn't the right word. They don't force pilots to land any more than a cop forces you to pull over by turning on his lights. However, the *implied* threat of force makes the non-terrorists follow instructions. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://pocketgear.com/products_searc...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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"gatt" wrote in message news: Then it said something about monitoring 121.5 and listening to instructions
if you're intercepted or if you see signal flares. The bulletin says that if you fail to follow instructions, "force" may be applied. Yeah? Well, welcome to what we in the Wash DC ADIZ have been dealing with for over a year now. Note that it's been said that if it continues here in the DC area, it'll spread. So, enjoy. Just keep up with the interpretations of how to work in that area. Meanwhile, flying over the Columbia last week I saw a couple more bulk freighters coming in. All those stacks of virtually-unscreened shipping containers... Yup. The internal consistency of the TSA is staggering. Stop the little bitty planes that never hurt anyone, permit the commercials who where used like that, and permit the massive cargo that's a lot more likely to hurt and is the vehicle of choice for large-scale smuggling. -Malcolm Teas |
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It would not take long for the fighter's to get there from PDX
Yes, but we are talking about what peopl would say, not what is or is not true. Personally, I am generally willing to give the cop the benefit of the doubt, and I would probably be even more likely to extend it to the pilot who shot down a plane that didn't follow instructions. .... which, while maybe reasonable, makes my scenario more likely to succeed. Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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