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Old December 14th 04, 07:56 PM
John Szalay
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Default Martin Mars wreckage found

In August, while cataloging the debris field around the wreck of a Japanese
midget submarine, HURL submarine pilot Terry Kerby ran across the inverted
keel of a "flying boat"
A Martin JRM-1 Mars named "Marshall Mars"


In the spring of 1950, during a test flight off of Diamond Head, one of
"Marshall Mars" engines caught fire, and the pilot landed in the open
ocean. Although the crew got out safely and a fireboat was soon on the
scene, the plane burned, exploded and sank. The cause was thought to be a
leaking fuel line, although it could not be confirmed because the wreckage
vanished, swallowed by the ocean.


http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/14/news/story4.html

two of the Mars flying boats are still around.
http://www.martinmars.com/
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Old December 15th 04, 12:00 AM
Allen Epps
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In article , John
Szalay wrote:

In August, while cataloging the debris field around the wreck of a Japanese
midget submarine, HURL submarine pilot Terry Kerby ran across the inverted
keel of a "flying boat"
A Martin JRM-1 Mars named "Marshall Mars"


In the spring of 1950, during a test flight off of Diamond Head, one of
"Marshall Mars" engines caught fire, and the pilot landed in the open
ocean. Although the crew got out safely and a fireboat was soon on the
scene, the plane burned, exploded and sank. The cause was thought to be a
leaking fuel line, although it could not be confirmed because the wreckage
vanished, swallowed by the ocean.


http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/14/news/story4.html

two of the Mars flying boats are still around.
http://www.martinmars.com/


Thanks John, interesting.
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Old December 15th 04, 03:21 AM
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:56:01 GMT, John Szalay
wrote:

a very interesting story snipped for brevity

With all this deep sea investigation and salvage capability it might
be time revise the old post-accident advice to "pick a simple story
and put the airplane in deep water." ;-)

Bill Kambic
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Old December 15th 04, 06:54 AM
Yofuri
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John Szalay wrote:
In August, while cataloging the debris field around the wreck of a Japanese
midget submarine, HURL submarine pilot Terry Kerby ran across the inverted
keel of a "flying boat"
A Martin JRM-1 Mars named "Marshall Mars"


In the spring of 1950, during a test flight off of Diamond Head, one of
"Marshall Mars" engines caught fire, and the pilot landed in the open
ocean. Although the crew got out safely and a fireboat was soon on the
scene, the plane burned, exploded and sank. The cause was thought to be a
leaking fuel line, although it could not be confirmed because the wreckage
vanished, swallowed by the ocean.


http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/14/news/story4.html

two of the Mars flying boats are still around.
http://www.martinmars.com/


In 1968 a group of us were fishing up in the San Juan Islands with the
trolling motor running, radio playing, poptops pinging and many sea
stories in progress. We didn't hear the Mars come alongside us until he
dropped the scoops and hit the throttle.

Only God and my laundryman will ever know...

Rick
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Old December 15th 04, 07:48 PM
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Thanks much, John.

Stuff like this keeps me coming back to r.a.m.n.
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"John Szalay" wrote in message
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In August, while cataloging the debris field around the wreck of a
Japanese
midget submarine, HURL submarine pilot Terry Kerby ran across the inverted
keel of a "flying boat"
A Martin JRM-1 Mars named "Marshall Mars"


In the spring of 1950, during a test flight off of Diamond Head, one of
"Marshall Mars" engines caught fire, and the pilot landed in the open
ocean. Although the crew got out safely and a fireboat was soon on the
scene, the plane burned, exploded and sank. The cause was thought to be a
leaking fuel line, although it could not be confirmed because the wreckage
vanished, swallowed by the ocean.


http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/14/news/story4.html

two of the Mars flying boats are still around.
http://www.martinmars.com/



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Old December 15th 04, 08:16 PM
John Szalay
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Allen Epps wrote in
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In article , John
Szalay wrote:

http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/14/news/story4.html

two of the Mars flying boats are still around.
http://www.martinmars.com/


Thanks John, interesting.




Been following the dives, they have also found several
other planes some dumpped over the years, a coast guard
plane and several Navy planes from all the way back to the
late 30's.
One interest of mine, my Dad helped dump some of the stuff
after WWII,,
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Old December 15th 04, 09:09 PM
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John Szalay wrote:

"Mike Kanze" wrote


Thanks much, John.

Stuff like this keeps me coming back to r.a.m.n.


my pleasure,
I grew up living on the beach at Waikiki, REALLY. our
house were less than 500ft from the water.
There is a high rise hotel on that spot right now.
and I remember seeing those seaplanes when they took off
from the seaplane runways next to Honolulu airport.
Keahi lagoon....


While I didn't live on Waikiki, I did live in NHA 1 outside the
Nimitz Highway gate of Pearl Harbor in 55-56. As with you, we
went down every chance we had to watch the [weekly?, twice
weekly?; sigh, however many there were a week] MARS takeoffs.
Impressive as hell when you're a 12-y.o. Damned sure they'd be
just as impressive for a sixty-mumble year-old now. ;-

[The MARS was intentional. At that tender age, and as a former
Army Brat now a Marine Brat whose Marine lawyer step-father was
not a font of information on things naval aviational, I thought
the MARS was for Military Aviation Something Something, unaware
that Mars was the *name* of the aircraft. Sigh. That deficiency
was rectified some seven years later at AirFam-P school, NATTC,
NAS Memphis.]
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OJ III
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Old December 15th 04, 11:35 PM
Bob Moore
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Ogden Johnson III wrote

I thought the MARS was for Military Aviation Something Something,
unaware that Mars was the *name* of the aircraft.


MARS...Military Affiliate Radio System. Formerly Military Amateur
Radio System.

Bob Moore
N4WZP
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Old December 16th 04, 02:21 AM
Ogden Johnson III
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Bob Moore wrote:

Ogden Johnson III wrote


I thought the MARS was for Military Aviation Something Something,
unaware that Mars was the *name* of the aircraft.


MARS...Military Affiliate Radio System. Formerly Military Amateur
Radio System.

Bob Moore
N4WZP


Sorry, Bob, but I know what *I* was thinking at the time. Even
earlier I had known about MARS, the HAM world's voluntary
military side. I certainly wasn't confusing it with the MARS
seaplanes I was looking at. What I damned well knew, was that
the then-name for the Air Farce's airlift service was MATS,
Military Air Transportation Service [which I'd been exposed to as
an Army Brat], corresponding to the Navy's MSTS, Military Sea
Transportation Service [which I'd also been exposed to as an Army
Brat, and just months before as a Marine Brat to get to Hawaii in
the first place], and I was trying to fit MARS into that naming
[at 12 y.o., I didn't know "nomenclature"] system.

[At the time, I didn't know that in Navy aviation nomenclature, R
was used for transport. Glad I didn't know. That would have set
me wondering why MARS instead of NARS, for Navy Air
Transportation Service. Damn I wish I had known that Ted had
been a Corporal in WWII then trained and commissioned as an AO.
{He went to law school between WWII/Korea, and was recalled as a
lawyer.} I would have known to ask him WTFO. But he'd just
married my mother before we went to HI, so I was still learning
about him.]
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OJ III
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Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]
 




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