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In article , Aerophotos wrote:
hooray the most evil person ever to exist in the world is now dead I'm impressed. I've never seen anyone post posthumously before. Mike |
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Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: "John Carrier" Date: 9/13/03 4:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I doubt his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted effort to achieve the bomb. His You doubt? Is that strong enough to risk it? What if you are wrong, which you must admit is a possibility. And if you are wrong, we would all be speaking echt deutch heute. .. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Unfortunately for the dead Teller insisted on lots of tests. Many of his peers, besides the ones from Manhatten Project who later opposed building the thermonuclear devices after they had seen in Japan, have said too many tests The US has conducted more nuclear tests than any other country, 300 or so more than the (f)SU. A table listing totals by year and country is at: http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/nudb/datab15.asp I was surprised to see how many nukes the French have fired off, more than double the total of the Brits and Chinese combined. Chris Mark |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: RIP Edward Teller From: "John Carrier" Date: 9/13/03 4:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I doubt his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted effort to achieve the bomb. His You doubt? Is that strong enough to risk it? What if you are wrong, which you must admit is a possibility. And if you are wrong, we would all be speaking echt deutch heute. Playing "what if" with history is a game for idiots and for those with lots of idle time on their hands, but even If Germany had had all of the USA's nuclear scientists, they still did not have the industrial capacity to pull off the job in a reasonable time. As it was, the USA barely managed to field a couple of weapons before the war was over. Vaughn |
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Actually it was Hitler who was the long pole in the tent. He did not even
put Germany on a wartime footing until 1943, Plus he arbitrarily changed missions and development programs, such as insisting the Me-263 be a ground support fighter bomber instead of a B-17/B-24 interceptor. WDA end "Vaughn" wrote in message ... "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: RIP Edward Teller From: "John Carrier" Date: 9/13/03 4:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I doubt his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted effort to achieve the bomb. His You doubt? Is that strong enough to risk it? What if you are wrong, which you must admit is a possibility. And if you are wrong, we would all be speaking echt deutch heute. Playing "what if" with history is a game for idiots and for those with lots of idle time on their hands, but even If Germany had had all of the USA's nuclear scientists, they still did not have the industrial capacity to pull off the job in a reasonable time. As it was, the USA barely managed to field a couple of weapons before the war was over. Vaughn |
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Aerophotos wrote: fallout from thermonuclear testing is all we need to say .. the deadly cancer after effect has killed many more people then hitler stalin etc and other ever did in the world Not really. Some people have squeezed and tortured the numbers to try and suggest this, but looking at cancer numbers downwind of the Nevada Test Site doen't show that much of an indication. Radiation exposure is not linear in effects at low doses, apparently. -- Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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On 13 Sep 2003 07:34:39 GMT, (B2431) wrote:
From: nt (Gordon) Date: 9/12/2003 11:26 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: How many people did Teller kill, as opposed to say, Idi Amin or Stalin? Gordon I am sure you know many U. S. servicemen and a few civilians near atmospheric tests radiation poisoning and various cancers. Many of the affected have since died. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired Well, since they would be at least 70 years old by now, I suppose a lot of them have died. Al Minyard |
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"Yeff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:54:50 +1000, Aerophotos wrote: hooray the most evil person ever to exist in the world is now dead Steve Irwin is dead? I didn't even know he was sick! Mr T took care of him http://tinyurl.com/n967 -Jeff B. yeff at erols dot com |
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Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I doubt
his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted effort to achieve the bomb. His You doubt? Is that strong enough to risk it? What if you are wrong, which you must admit is a possibility. And if you are wrong, we would all be speaking echt deutch heute. Considering the overwhelming intellectual and industrial effort made to develop the bomb, the movement of one mind (not a particularly critical one at that) would have had no material effect on either a US (delayed) or German (advanced) ability to develop the bomb. So I'll retract my original statement. His presence in Germany (vice the USA) would have had no material impact on their ability to develop an atomic weapon. Similarly his absence wouldn't have been a show-stopper for the Manhattan project. Germany and Japan had not expended enough effort in research to even begin to develop an appreciation for the commitment required for a weapon's development. Neither had the industrial or economic capacity to construct the plants required to enrich uranium or generate plutonium WHILE simultaneously supporting the war effort with conventional weapons manufacture. Add the reality of the harassing effect of strategic bombing, and it was even more hopeless. Germany had an outstanding group of theoretical physicists. They had access to a limited amount of uranium ore. Never the less, they did not succeed in producing a sustained nuclear reaction by war's end (we did it in 1942 at U of Chicago). We WERE concerned that Germany had a bomb program. We directed missions to hamper it (bombed heavy water production plants). When we got the right people on the ground in Germany, we were amazed by their lack of progress. Needless to say, this is hindsight. Things looked a lot different with Great Britain on the edge and the Pacific Fleet battle line resting in the Pearl Harbor mud. R / John |
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