My ISP has been "blacklisted"!

("Martin Hotze" wrote)
I wonder how many other e-mails have been sent our way, only to be
"block-deleted" (by me!!) at our ISP's server?


set a whitelist.

Did that - for all of the addresses and (unique) domains that I could think
of.

I still need to "manually" recover a few new *good address* that show up in
the spam-filter - from time to time. Only then can those people go into my
whitelist.

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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:14:06 -0800, Bob Fry wrote:

I have to agree with Martin. You've really insulted the spammers with
that comment.

I would have to disagree with you here. A spammer is the lowest form of
life known, if it can even be called life.

They deserve to be lined up and shot without mercy. A sad thought here,
but you know if Hitler had instead picked on spammers he might have had
the worlds support and we'd be living in the Third Reiche...

I know this much, if SATAN fixed the spam problem I'd vote for him in any
office he run for, I'd campaign for him...

On 05 Dec 2003 18:21:56 -0800, Bob Fry wrote:

"Jay Honeck" writes:

What next?

- Robotic aircraft flying around US airspace---it's YOUR
responsibility to see and avoid.

- Robotic aircraft flying around foreign airspace launching missles at
the hand of a 19-year old kid back in Florida. Who cares if he
makes a mistakes, they're all gooks anyway, right?

-Nanotechnology gone awry. Oops, shoulda tested that one a little
more thoroughly...it goes berserker inside people with too much/not
enough hormones/white cells/red cells/whatever

etc.

OK. What wil it take to enact a law that makes a unmanned drone's
controlling agency automatically liable for any midair "incident" or
collateral damage ?

A spammer is the lowest form of
life known, if it can even be called life.


No.

The lowest form of life is the slime that foists popup ads on the web, scripts
and active-x controls that don't say what they do, and animated advertising,
especially of the Flash type. I can select a bunch of spam and delete it
pretty quickly. However, nasty (or pointless) scripts, Flash animations, and
popups are much harder to deal with. Yes, I can use popup controls (I do), and
turn scripts and animations off, but there is also good stuff that comes this
way. So, it's like having to quit Email to escape spam. Further, they take
time to load and they have to be loaded even if they are ignored.

The web abuses are far worse than Email ones.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...
The web abuses are far worse than Email ones.

You are forgetting that nearly a third of spam sent today is sent from PC's
taken over by computer viruses or worms. That is, computers that never
agreed to send spam in the first place. Spammers aren't just sending email
you don't want. They are utilizing a variety of underhanded and illegal
tactics to do so.

At least with the web stuff, you can use a browser that blocks them 100%.
And it's all legal and above-board. There's no law against being ugly and
irritating.

Pete

You are forgetting that nearly a third of spam sent today is sent from PC's
taken over by computer viruses or worms.


That's not the same kind of spam (that is, it's not the penis elargement stuff
that comes this way). That is a side effect of criminal behavior, both on the
part of the virus writer and the software (and OS) developer who leaves the
kind of gaping security holes that make it so easy. These criminals are not
out to sell you anything, they are just vandals.


At least with the web stuff, you can use a browser that blocks them 100%.


Blocking it 100% precludes the use of legitimate and worthwhile animation,
popups, flash, and active-x. Anyway, for Email you can block it 100% too. You
don't get any Email at all. Same as blocking animation on the web. You don't
get any at all. But that's not the goal.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...
That's not the same kind of spam (that is, it's not the penis elargement
stuff
that comes this way).

The same kind of spam as what? If the spammers could get their email sent
out 100% on someone else's computer, they would. Even when they aren't
hijacking someone else's computer, they are violating accepted Internet
practices, and often are violating their own ISP's terms of service (though
this is more rare, since they've moved off-shore to countries that don't
give a damn).

That is a side effect of criminal behavior, both on the
part of the virus writer and the software (and OS) developer who leaves
the
kind of gaping security holes that make it so easy.

"Criminal"? "Gaping"? What do you know about gaping? Security holes
exist. They will ALWAYS exist. Just as your house and your car are never
going to be 100% secure, nor will operating systems and other computer
software. Not stuff we can afford anyway. Would you call your home builder
or car manufacturer criminals simply because they didn't manage to provide
you with a 100% secure product?

These criminals are not out to sell you anything, they are just vandals.

Wrong again. They ARE selling you something. Spam doesn't make them any
money if no one replies. Just as often, of course, the products are scams.
But they are real life scams, not some virtual spray paint on the wall.

Blocking it 100% precludes the use of legitimate and worthwhile animation,
popups, flash, and active-x.

There's no such thing, not unannounced and unsolicited.

Anyway, for Email you can block it 100% too. You
don't get any Email at all.

I can browse the web with 100% blocking and get 100% of what I want out of
is. I cannot use my email without getting at least some spam.

Same as blocking animation on the web. You don't
get any at all. But that's not the goal.

What goal? The question is who's worse. Spammers are, pure and simple.

Pete

On 07 Dec 2003 02:49:40 GMT, Teacherjh wrote:


The web abuses are far worse than Email ones.

one way to gain better control over your machine is using a hosts file, for
example: http://accs-net.com/hosts/

this will block many advertising hosts at the IP level

martin
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There's no law against being ugly and irritating.

Otherwise I would be in jail.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:151Ab.236241$Dw6.824310@attbi_s02:

When it became obvious that it was NOT "everyone else's" problem, I
contacted Mediacom to inquire about the service. Here is their reply
-- anyone care to translate? (What the heck is MAPS and RBL, and why
is MEDIACOM the one that is "blacklisted"?):
...identified as spammers. Because of this, all other Domains that
use MAPS and RBL to check the validity of our mailserver, have us
Blacklisted.

Real pain, isn't it. One of our office LAN's goes out through SBC DSL
lines and has the same problem. The IP is dynamic... every week or so
someone down the road runs a backhoe through the cable, or a truck snags
the telephone lines. When it all gets hooked back up we get a new IP
address.

Dynamic IP's should never be blocked... only the next tier fixed IP (and
that with a degree of intelligence). But many of the poorer quality
black list services don't check. So... if someone has ever dialed in or
gotten the IP we are currently using and has sent spam over it, AND if
someone receiving that spam complained to the blacklisters... bingo.
That IP address is listed as a no-no.

In general we will never know it (we get no bounce mail or anything) -
until enough customers call about why we ever sent them that report we
promised or whatever. Then it's track down who their ISP is, and TRY to
find out what blacklisting service they are using, then TRY to get SBC
(who does NOT consider us a major account G) to send a note to the
blacklister...

Royal pain, and a cure as bad or worse than the disease.

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