We Are All Spaniards

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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The Uk gave the land to Israel following a war with Jewish terrorists.
People like Golda Meyer, Begin were all terrorists(freedomfighters).

Again, you're confusing terrorists with rebels.

Rebels fight for territory. Terrorists kill indiscriminately.

The jews in 1948 were indiscriminate killers. But by your definition the
Palestinians are rebels too and what they are doing is legitimate, fighting
for their native soil.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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The way to defeat terrorism is to have it not work any more. This means
accepting the death and destruction without changing our policy.

Agree 100%. We must stay the course, fight the good fight, and not
flinch.

Unfortunately, the Spanish just showed that terror will influence
elections,
policies, treaties, and troop deployments.

A very, very bad precedent. I fear the world will pay a terrible price
for
Spain's actions.

Alternatively the world will pay a terrible price for the US's actions.

"Roy Epperson" wrote in message
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legitimizing might have been the wrong word. However, it demonstrated to
them that terrorist acts can affect the elections of a sovereign nation.


Is that not how the republicans got a majority in both houses after 911
what's your point?

"Judah" wrote:
Sure it is.

The way to do it is to show them that the families they left
behind will not be rewarded for their actions. The way to
do it is to show that the punishment for suicide bombing is,
for example, the destruction of their home and the exile
of their families.

No. That is precisely what the terrorists are attempting to goad us
into doing. Their goal is the radicalization of the whole Ialamic
world. The destruction of their homes and the exile of their families
would be an immense propaganda victory for them.

Indiscriminate vengeance and retaliation are their game; we'd be fools
to play it.

That's what worked in Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

Not analagous. For one thing, no one is in a position to "surrender"
for the terrorists. If Bin Laden, for instance, were to reach an
accomodation with the U. S., he would be denounced as a sellout and
replaced by other radicals eager to assume the title of Supreme Defender
of Islam.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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That was my reaction also. I don't know if it makes random attacks on
Spanish targets more likely, but it certainly makes attacks on BRITISH
targets more likely. Probably Polish targets as well.

Don't worry about the British. They have been dealing with American funded
Irish terrorists for years.
Also with Libyan funded Palestinian terrorists
and Israeli government terrorists blowing up Palestinians, not to mention
Iranians. They don't need patronising Americans who have only recently
discovered what terrorism is about warn them.
Lets face it the FBI and the CIA fu*ked it up well between them.

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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This is addressed in the Wall Street Journal today. The writer points
to Poland as the next probable target, since it too has troops in
Iraq, and is more vulnerable than either the U.S. or Britain (and
perhaps more susceptible to blackmail).


Are there actually Muslims in Poland? I doubt Al-Qaida has
the infrastructure to mount an attack.

No but there are Chechen (muslim)terrorists operating in Russia and a lot of
Russians in Poland. It would be easy for the Chechens who are in alliance
with OBL to strike.

Think about it.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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like how those American rebels went on to destroy Indian reservations
through slaughter and starvation

No, by then the Americans were "conquerors" -- again, not to be confused
with "terrorists" -- on their way to capturing the continent.

The reservations came later, after the Indian conquest was complete.

You really should carefully study the fine distinctions between the words
"rebel," "terrorist," "defender," and "conqueror," in the English
language,
as these differences are critically important in any cogent discussion of
world history.

Still does not change the fact that the conquerors operated a policy of
genocide. By modern standards a crime against humanity which would not be
tolerated today.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I suppose you could list the ban on partial-birth abortion as
happening
under his watch, but this procedure is so barbaric that most people --
Democrat or Republican -- shudder at this type of abortion. I see
that
law
as being outside of partisan politics -- but that's just me, I
suppose.


We call the terrorists barbaric for killing innocents?

Yes. And your point is...?
--
res ipsa locutor

"Judah" wrote in message
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Not in the eyes of the IRA. In the eyes of the IRA they are fighting for
the British to give back their land.

If they win, history will write that they were warriors and bravehearts...

Thats the way, just pick and chose who you want to be terrorists and who are
not.

With your logic, the Al Quida probably dont think they are terrorists
either. They are fighting to secure a fundamental muslim homeland in a
muslim world corrupted or stolen by the west.
What's wrong with that. Except that it does not fit in with American
interests.
Whereas because of the Irish lobby in the US, support for the British
fighting Irish terrorists who did the majority of their bombing on the
mainland NOT Ireland was halfhearted.

A clear case of double standards.

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
With this election the Spanish have actually legitimized the
very attackers they supposedly revile, and endangered
us all in the process.

True, but not the real story. The Spanish public was overwhelmingly
against the Iraq war before the bombings. The bombings may have
affected the margin, but the election results are really payback to a
party that ignored its constituents.

This election will encourage the terrorists like
nothing else has.

Unfortunately, the spin in the Muslim world will be that Al Qaeda
frightened the Spanish people into replacing their government. Score
one for the bad guys.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
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