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Autopilot use during approach
I've moved up to a new plane that includes an S-Tec 50 autopilot. It has
several very capable modes ranging from Wings Leveler, Track a Heading bug, Follow NAV input, Hold a set Altitude, and approach mode which tracks NAV input more closely. What do the regs say about the permissible use of an autopilot after the enroute portion of a flight that is being conducted under instrument flight rules? To what extent is it permissible to use the autopilot during an approach? For example, after the controller says "radar vectors for..." through DH? Thanks! |
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Autopilot use during approach
Every airplane flight manual/POH has an autopilot supplement
that answers those questions. The autopilot must be configured to begin and complete the approach early in the sequence so that it can arm and capture the loc and gs properly. Typically you can stay coupled to 50-100 feet AGL on a GS and to 50 feet below MDA on a non-precision approach. "Ron Gordon" wrote in message t... | I've moved up to a new plane that includes an S-Tec 50 autopilot. It has | several very capable modes ranging from Wings Leveler, Track a Heading bug, | Follow NAV input, Hold a set Altitude, and approach mode which tracks NAV | input more closely. | | What do the regs say about the permissible use of an autopilot after the | enroute portion of a flight that is being conducted under instrument flight | rules? To what extent is it permissible to use the autopilot during an | approach? For example, after the controller says "radar vectors for..." | through DH? | | Thanks! | | |
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Jim,
so that it can arm and capture the loc and gs properly. The S-TEC 50 doesn't do that. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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"Ron Gordon" wrote: I've moved up to a new plane that includes an S-Tec 50 autopilot. It has several very capable modes ranging from Wings Leveler, Track a Heading bug, Follow NAV input, Hold a set Altitude, and approach mode which tracks NAV input more closely. What do the regs say about the permissible use of an autopilot after the enroute portion of a flight that is being conducted under instrument flight rules? Nothing, at least for Part 91 operations; might be different for 35 or 121, I don't know. To what extent is it permissible to use the autopilot during an approach? For example, after the controller says "radar vectors for..." through DH? I use my S-Tec 50 in approaches all the time, but usually not in the final segment of an ILS. The 50 is not a top-of-the-line autopilot; I flatter myself that I can do it better. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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Ron Gordon writes:
I've moved up to a new plane that includes an S-Tec 50 autopilot. It has several very capable modes ranging from Wings Leveler, Track a Heading bug, Follow NAV input, Hold a set Altitude, and approach mode which tracks NAV input more closely. What do the regs say about the permissible use of an autopilot after the enroute portion of a flight that is being conducted under instrument flight rules? To what extent is it permissible to use the autopilot during an approach? For example, after the controller says "radar vectors for..." through DH? Anything you can legally fly by hand can also be flown by the autopilot, since you remain in command and can take over at any time; using autopilot is like using trim in that case. However, you can't use the autopilot to fly something you could not legally fly by hand unless both you and the aircraft are certificated to do so. As long as you are flying an approach that you can legally fly by hand, whether or not you actually use the autopilot to fly it is purely your choice. In contrast, there are situations in which flying by hand is not allowed and only flying by autopilot is permitted (or only flying by hand with special assistance, such as EFVS, is permitted), such as landings that are below the minimums for any type of hand-flown instrument approach (Cat IIIc autolands). These require that both pilot and aircraft (and instruments) be approved for the automation in question. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:08:29 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: Anything you can legally fly by hand can also be flown by the autopilot, since you remain in command and can take over at any time; using autopilot is like using trim in that case. However, you can't use the autopilot to fly something you could not legally fly by hand unless both you and the aircraft are certificated to do so. As long as you are flying an approach that you can legally fly by hand, whether or not you actually use the autopilot to fly it is purely your choice. In the Cirrus the autopilot manual (STEC 55X) did not permit operation below 200 feet or when full flaps were deployed. Clearly a case where you could legally fly by hand but not with the autopilot. |
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Anything you can legally fly by hand can also be flown by the autopilot,
since you remain in command and can take over at any time; using autopilot is like using trim in that case. However, you can't use the autopilot to fly something you could not legally fly by hand unless both you and the aircraft are certificated to do so. As long as you are flying an approach that you can legally fly by hand, whether or not you actually use the autopilot to fly it is purely your choice. In the Cirrus the autopilot manual (STEC 55X) did not permit operation below 200 feet or when full flaps were deployed. Clearly a case where you could legally fly by hand but not with the autopilot. The STEC 55X in the Cirrus SR-22 also had a prohibition against using it with indicated airspeeds above 180kts, as I recall (I sold my Cirrus a while ago but I recall that being the number). The same limitation was not present for hand flying. --- Ken Reed M20M, N9124X -- Ken Reed M20M, N9124X |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Anything you can legally fly by hand can also be flown by the autopilot, since SNIP That is a patently false and dangerous statement. |
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Rip writes:
That is a patently false and dangerous statement. Explain the error(s). -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Autopilot use during approach
Mxsmanic wrote:
Anything you can legally fly by hand can also be flown by the autopilot, since you remain in command and can take over at any time; using autopilot is like using trim in that case. Untrue. Autopilot installations are one of the more rigorously handled aircraft modifications. There will certainly be LEGALLY BINDING operating limitations that apply to the use of the autopilot. There are quite good reasons for these restrictions by the way The fact that you have never seen a legal AFM and it's supplements is again demonstrating that you have no business telling real pilots what is safe OR legal. |
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