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767 at LAX did a go-around today!



 
 
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Old August 21st 03, 02:37 AM
Bob Gardner
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Default 767 at LAX did a go-around today!

The mark of a good pilot(s). The passengers might expect every approach to
terminate in a landing, but no pilot should have that expectation.

Bob Gardner

"Yossarian" wrote in message
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I was listening to the LAX tower (south runways) on my handheld today at
about 3:40pm and was surprised to hear American 297 heavy call "going
around" while on short final. I followed along as the pilot reported a
slats problem. Tower headed him to LAX VORTAC then outbound 235 at 2000'.
Two SoCal approach controllers took him in turn, asking if he needed
assistance but apparently they worked everything out and landed safely 10
minutes later. Pretty minor I guess but I've never seen or heard of a

heavy
jet doing a go around. Must have freaked some of the passengers out!





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Old August 21st 03, 02:39 AM
Paul Tomblin
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In a previous article, "Yossarian" said:
minutes later. Pretty minor I guess but I've never seen or heard of a heavy
jet doing a go around. Must have freaked some of the passengers out!


I've been on a heavy that did a go-around. The pilot said that another
plane blundered onto the runway.


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Old August 21st 03, 03:38 AM
Joachim Feise
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Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, "Yossarian" said:

minutes later. Pretty minor I guess but I've never seen or heard of a heavy
jet doing a go around. Must have freaked some of the passengers out!



I've been on a heavy that did a go-around. The pilot said that another
plane blundered onto the runway.


The same here, with the same announcement on the intercom.
However, since I'm always observing the approaches, I noticed shortly before
the pilot did the go-around that he was way too high. From my window seat,
I couldn't see if there was another plane on the runway, but I doubt it.

-Joe

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Old August 21st 03, 04:17 AM
John Gaquin
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message news:bi17s3!

... The pilot said that another
plane blundered onto the runway.


That has been known to happen from time to time, and was probably the case.
But, the old "...other plane on the runway..." story has also been used to
cover a few bad approaches over the years. :-)

JG


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Old August 21st 03, 05:02 AM
Jeff Franks
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Yep. Friend of mine is a AA pilot and told me that they had to land once
without flaps. Trouble was that none of them knew what the speeds were for
that setup, so they had to dig out the books ("professional" pilots mind
you). They were a bit close, so they went around and announced that another
plane had come out on the runway.

Kinda irked me because it gives the non-flying public the impression that
ATC/GA/Another pilot had put them at risk, when this was not the case. Why
lie? Just tell the passengers whats happening and get on with it.


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Old August 21st 03, 05:20 AM
Yossarian
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Come on, that's easy. Most people will be freaked out enough that they
aren't landing on the first try, without having to believe it's a problem
with their own plane.

"Jeff Franks" wrote in message
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Yep. Friend of mine is a AA pilot and told me that they had to land once
without flaps. Trouble was that none of them knew what the speeds were

for
that setup, so they had to dig out the books ("professional" pilots mind
you). They were a bit close, so they went around and announced that

another
plane had come out on the runway.

Kinda irked me because it gives the non-flying public the impression that
ATC/GA/Another pilot had put them at risk, when this was not the case.

Why
lie? Just tell the passengers whats happening and get on with it.




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Old August 21st 03, 05:30 AM
Jeff Franks
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Bull. Don't lie to me. Even if I know nothing about whats going on.
Explain it to me in a way that I'll understand that "hey this isn't a big
deal, we'll just land on a longer runway while going a little faster than
normal". I'd rather see that than to be told that the whole friggen system
is at fault and some "small plane" (that was the term they used) had just
screwed up. Not for me.


"Yossarian" wrote in message
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Come on, that's easy. Most people will be freaked out enough that they
aren't landing on the first try, without having to believe it's a problem
with their own plane.

"Jeff Franks" wrote in message
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Yep. Friend of mine is a AA pilot and told me that they had to land

once
without flaps. Trouble was that none of them knew what the speeds were

for
that setup, so they had to dig out the books ("professional" pilots mind
you). They were a bit close, so they went around and announced that

another
plane had come out on the runway.

Kinda irked me because it gives the non-flying public the impression

that
ATC/GA/Another pilot had put them at risk, when this was not the case.

Why
lie? Just tell the passengers whats happening and get on with it.






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Old August 21st 03, 05:31 AM
John Harlow
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Yep. Friend of mine is a AA pilot and told me that they had to land once
without flaps. Trouble was that none of them knew what the speeds were

for
that setup, so they had to dig out the books ("professional" pilots mind
you). They were a bit close, so they went around and announced that

another
plane had come out on the runway.

Kinda irked me because it gives the non-flying public the impression that
ATC/GA/Another pilot had put them at risk, when this was not the case.

Why
lie? Just tell the passengers whats happening and get on with it.


I wonder what compels them to get on the horn and say something about it in
the first place. Just fly the damn plane.


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Old August 21st 03, 05:55 AM
John Gaquin
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"Jeff Franks" wrote in message

....Trouble was that none of them knew what the speeds were for
that setup, so they had to dig out the books ("professional" pilots mind
you).


That's normal. That's the safest way to do it. There's no point in
committing details of abnormal procedures to memory -- plenty of time to
look them up. And you don't "..dig out the books..". There are convenient
checklists all prepared that cover virtually all eventualities. There are a
few emergency procedures that you do memorize -- immediate action items
only.

Regards,

John Gaquin
B727, B747


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Old August 21st 03, 06:00 AM
John Gaquin
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"Jeff Franks" wrote in message

Kinda irked me because it gives the non-flying public the impression that
ATC/GA/Another pilot had put them at risk, when this was not the case.

Why
lie? Just tell the passengers whats happening and get on with it.


It's a careful balancing act. Some people watch the progress of the flight
out the window, and have some familiarity. But not many. Most people
haven't got a clue what makes an airplane tick, and if you tell them
somethings not absolutely 100% normal, they'll get upset. You could wind up
causing more problems than you already have. Generally speaking, if you're
dealing with an abnormal, glossing over it is acceptable -- it really is no
big deal. If you have a bona fide emergency, you play straight and right up
front.

--
Regards,

John Gaquin
B727, B747


 




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