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Old December 22nd 05, 08:45 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/na...tml?oref=login

If you're not registered to read NYTimes articles you may not be able to
access this - maybe someone has a more user-friendly source for this
article.

I'm not sure how frequently they would want to be using 13L at JFK and 04
at LGA simultaneously, but the case is well demonstrated anyway.

GF

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Old December 22nd 05, 08:55 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Forgot to add these links (for AOPA members) :

http://download.aopa.org/iap/2005112...dme_rwy_19.pdf

http://download.aopa.org/iap/2005112...rnp_rwy_19.pdf

GF

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Old December 22nd 05, 09:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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If you're not registered to read NYTimes articles you may not be able to
access this - maybe someone has a more user-friendly source for this
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Worked for me. However, if some are having difficulty, try
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Old December 22nd 05, 01:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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G Farris wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/na...tml?oref=login

If you're not registered to read NYTimes articles you may not be able to
access this - maybe someone has a more user-friendly source for this
article.



http://bugmenot.com is your friend for such situations. Enter in the URL of the
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use bugmenot all the time for one shot deals where I can't be bothered to
register. I even put a link to it on my quick launch toolbar.



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Old December 22nd 05, 01:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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G Farris wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/na...tml?oref=login

If you're not registered to read NYTimes articles you may not be able to
access this - maybe someone has a more user-friendly source for this
article.

I'm not sure how frequently they would want to be using 13L at JFK and 04
at LGA simultaneously, but the case is well demonstrated anyway.

GF

I got an official announcement through the Wings program announcement
channel. I'm sure you can find it on the FAA web site.
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Old December 22nd 05, 01:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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In article , G Farris
wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/na...tml?oref=login



Very interesting...

If you're not registered to read NYTimes articles you may not be able to
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BugMe Not is your friend: http://www.bugmenot.com/
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Old December 22nd 05, 04:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Garner Miller wrote:

BugMe Not is your friend: http://www.bugmenot.com/
It's a repository of logins for all those newspapers that want each
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Of course, one of you BUGMENOT users could be so kind to copy/paste the
article here.

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Old December 22nd 05, 05:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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In article , Peter R.
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Of course, one of you BUGMENOT users could be so kind to copy/paste the
article here.


That's kind of pointless, when we have a link to the original article.
BugMeNot is free. There's even a plug-in for Firefox that will do all
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But I'll certainly give you a head start:

http://www.bugmenot.com/view.php?url...nytimes.com%2F


Enjoy.

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Old December 22nd 05, 11:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Default RNP demo at DCA

In article , G Farris wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/na...tml?oref=login

If you're not registered to read NYTimes articles you may not be able to
access this - maybe someone has a more user-friendly source for this
article.

I'm not sure how frequently they would want to be using 13L at JFK and 04
at LGA simultaneously, but the case is well demonstrated anyway.

GF



DCA or JFK?



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


AOC 42-05 December 20, 2005
Contact: Alison Duquette
Phone: 202-267-3883 New FAA Navigation Procedure at Reagan National
Helps Travelers, Airlines, Airport Neighbors WASHINGTON, DC —
The Department
of Transportation's Federal Aviation
Administration (FAA) today announced
that a new navigation procedure at
Ronald Reagan Washington National
Airport will increase efficiency,
improve safety, and reduce the effect
of aircraft noise and emissions on
homes and businesses under the flight
path.

Called "Required Navigation
Performance" (RNP), the procedure
takes advantage of a plane's onboard
navigation capability to fly a more
precise flight path into the airport.
The Reagan National RNP approach to
Runway 19, which follows the Potomac
River, allows planes to land with
considerably lower cloud ceilings and
visibility than currently required,
increasing airport access during
marginal weather.

"We're tapping the high-performance
computing capability of today's
aircraft to move more planes more
safely and efficiently," said FAA
Administrator Marion C. Blakey. "The
environmental benefits are terrific
too, because flying straight down the
middle of the flight path means that
people on the ground perceive less jet
noise and experience fewer engine
emissions."

The procedure at Reagan National may
be used by any operator who can meet
specific FAA requirements for aircraft
navigation performance and pilot
training. Alaska Airlines is the first
air carrier authorized by the FAA to
use the RNP procedures at Reagan
National. The airline pioneered the
use of RNP procedures at Juneau and
other airports in Alaska.

Besides the new procedure at Reagan
National, the FAA has authorized RNP
procedures at Juneau, San Francisco,
Portland, OR; Palm Springs, CA; and
Hailey (Sun Valley), ID.

At all the airports,
RNP's "repeatability" — allowing
aircraft to fly the same path
consistently — lets the FAA
design procedures to avoid noise-
sensitive areas with the assurance
that aircraft will fly the exact path
every time.

The FAA and the aviation community
have collaborated for more than a year
to make performance-based navigation a
reality. When performance-based
navigation is fully implemented at
airports across the nation, it will
establish precise approach, arrival
and departure procedures. It also will
improve situational awareness for
pilots and air traffic controllers,
and provide smoother traffic flows,
saving fuel and benefiting the
environment.



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Old December 23rd 05, 12:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Bob Noel wrote:
In article , G Farris wrote:


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/na...tml?oref=login

If you're not registered to read NYTimes articles you may not be able to
access this - maybe someone has a more user-friendly source for this
article.

I'm not sure how frequently they would want to be using 13L at JFK and 04
at LGA simultaneously, but the case is well demonstrated anyway.

GF




DCA or JFK?


The RNP procedure at DCA does not enhance separation. It lowers
minimums for Runway 19 but only Alaska Airlines can presently use it.
It will take a long time for anyone else to qualify for that low of an
RNP value. The reason the RNP value is that low is not for obstacle
clearance but to assure clearance from P-56.

The JFK procedure is presently being promoted by Jet Blue to emulate the
Canarsie (VOR 13L/R) IAP at JFK, albeit with lower minimums so they
don't have to switch to the 13L ILS.

So long as the Canarsie approach is in use LGA can run Runway 4 ILS
approaches. This has been true for many years. But, once the weather
drops below Canarsie minimums then JFK has to switch to the ILS 13L,
which shuts down the LGA ILS 4.

With the lower minimums proposed by Jet Blue, the percentage of time
that JFK would have to use the 13L ILS would decrease significantly.

Trouble is, unless every flight into JFK is RNP qualified, including RF
(radius-to-fix) leg capable, it will do no good. Many, many air carrier
aircraft are not properly equipped and will not be so for the life of
that portion of the air carrier fleet.

So, it is the FAA promoting something that just won't become a reality
at JFK. At DCA it works for Alaska Airlines, because there the benefits
are not dependent upon everyone being equipped with the "latest and
greatest" RNP suite, not to mention all the related special crew
training and qualifications.

The FAA is to be given credit for finally embracing the concept of
advanced, approach-capable RNP, but neither the air carriers nor the ATC
system is quite ready for "prime time."

The new Palm Springs RNP IAPs, effective this very day, are great except
the airspace and ATC system is simply not prepared to deal with them.
 




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