Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

Matt Giwer wrote:
Jordan wrote:

Dean A. Markley wrote:

Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.



True. The advantage of hitting Damascus, though, especially if it's
repeated and especially if collateral damage kills some rich Damascene
civilians, is that it brings home to Syria that there could be a _big_
personal cost, felt by the Syrian ruling elite, for supporting attacks
on Israel. Heck, I think that Israel should _target_ Assad, and then
others in the Syrian leadership, in the hopes of making that country
collapse into civil war as the hyena-like survivors struggle for
supremacy.

The Syrian elite has spent a good deal of the last few decades causing
chaos in Lebanon and death everywhere abroad. Let them have a taste of
what it's like, at home. Couldn't happen to a nicer buncha guys


Don't you think it would help its international position for Israel
to end its occupation of southern Syria before making demands on Syria?
It has been well known for year in Israel, right from Moshe Dayan, that
it provoked Syria into defending itself during the 1967 war solely for
the purpose of stealing the Syrian Heights.


Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding the
1967 war?

ALV

Andrew Venor wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Jordan wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:
Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.
True. The advantage of hitting Damascus, though, especially if it's
repeated and especially if collateral damage kills some rich Damascene
civilians, is that it brings home to Syria that there could be a _big_
personal cost, felt by the Syrian ruling elite, for supporting attacks
on Israel. Heck, I think that Israel should _target_ Assad, and then
others in the Syrian leadership, in the hopes of making that country
collapse into civil war as the hyena-like survivors struggle for
supremacy.
The Syrian elite has spent a good deal of the last few decades causing
chaos in Lebanon and death everywhere abroad. Let them have a taste of
what it's like, at home. Couldn't happen to a nicer buncha guys

Don't you think it would help its international position for
Israel to end its occupation of southern Syria before making demands
on Syria? It has been well known for year in Israel, right from Moshe
Dayan, that it provoked Syria into defending itself during the 1967
war solely for the purpose of stealing the Syrian Heights.

Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding the
1967 war?

Actually I was refering to the shelling of Israelis who were living on stolen
Syrian land fronting the Sea of Galilee. Syria certainly has a right to shell
its own territory

I have similarly suggested Syria lease the Heights to Iran as a down range
missile test range.

If there was a dispute over the land in question then it could certainly have
been put to international arbitration.

In any event, despite the Israeli propaganda, Moshe Dayan give the real and
only reason for provoking Syria. To steal the land. That is what he said. It has
been confirmed by his daughter.

It was this revelation which shot down the Israeli propaganda. The propaganda
has been discredited. There is no point in trying to resurrect it today.

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Andrew Venor wrote in news:n7Odnc_YqKX4gzrZnZ2dnUVZ_o-
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Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding the
1967 war?

Nah, couldn't be.
Must be some other Golan Heights.
Yeah, thats the ticket....

IBM

Matt Giwer wrote:
Jordan wrote:
Don't you think it would help its international position for Israel to end its
occupation of southern Syria before making demands on Syria?

No. I think it would help its international position for Israel to
_annex_ the Golan Heights and then reply to all questions about their
future disposition with "They're Israeli national territory. What are
you offering us to purchase them?"

This is also how Israel should have dealt with the issues of the West
Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip.

It has been well
known for year in Israel, right from Moshe Dayan, that it provoked Syria into
defending itself during the 1967 war solely for the purpose of stealing the
Syrian Heights.

LOL!!! And the Israelis used their magic mind control rays to force
the Arab commanders into massing their air and armor for an attack?

- Jordan

Jordan wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Jordan wrote:
Don't you think it would help its international position for Israel to end its
occupation of southern Syria before making demands on Syria?

No. I think it would help its international position for Israel to
_annex_ the Golan Heights and then reply to all questions about their
future disposition with "They're Israeli national territory. What are
you offering us to purchase them?"

Formal annexation would be a hanging offense as a crime against humanity was it
was found to be at Nuremberg.

This is also how Israel should have dealt with the issues of the West
Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip.

How would committing additional crimes against humanity have been a benefit?

It has been well
known for year in Israel, right from Moshe Dayan, that it provoked Syria into
defending itself during the 1967 war solely for the purpose of stealing the
Syrian Heights.

LOL!!! And the Israelis used their magic mind control rays to force
the Arab commanders into massing their air and armor for an attack?

You disagree with Moshe Dayan in his specfic statement as to the cause of the
fight against Syria during the 1967 war. I am certain you have more knowledge of
events than he did in your dreams. That is what he said and his daughter
confirmed it.

That is what really happened from the lips of the man who was in the best
position to know what really happened. Izziehugger propaganda has no standing in
this matter.

Dayan said letting the farmers encroach on the Heights was one of the two
greatest mistakes in his career because it lead to the occupation of Syria and
the impossibility of making peace. The other great mistake was letting Jews into
Hebron for a passover because they never left and required the domination of an
entire city for the sake of a few fanatics.

Been there, done that, I got the facts right from the best Israeli sources
available. You have only propaganda.

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No. I think it would help its international position for Israel to
_annex_ the Golan Heights and then reply to all questions about their
future disposition with "They're Israeli national territory. What are
you offering us to purchase them?"

This is also how Israel should have dealt with the issues of the West
Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip.

What would your do with the four million
people living there?
Mass expulsion? To where?
Keep them as a permanent underclass?
Give them the franchise?
Do you have final solution in mind?

Dean A. Markley wrote:

Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.

How does that act of war improve matters?

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Matt Giwer wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:

Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.

How does that act of war improve matters?

By demonstrating to the Syrians that when they commit acts of war
against Israel through third party clients, Syria will suffer _direct_
retaliation. I personally think that _whenever_ a Syrian-backed
organization hits Israel, the Israelis should pick out a block or two
of Damascus -- preferably one inhabited by the Syrian upper clases --
level it, and then do a follow-up raid a half-hour later to take out
the rescue parties and any survivors.

Let the *******s _bleed_ like they made Lebanon bleed.

Sincerely Yours,
Jordan

Jordan wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:
Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.

How does that act of war improve matters?

By demonstrating to the Syrians that when they commit acts of war
against Israel through third party clients, Syria will suffer _direct_
retaliation.

Resistance to occupation is lawful and not an act of war EVEN IF there were
evidence of the implicit assertion that Syria were sponsoring it. Capturing a
prisoner of war from the occupying power is lawful in international law. Their
only obligation is to allow Red Cross visits along with proper treatment in
accordance with his rank.

Even if Syria or Iran were sponsoring it it would be no different from French
support of American colonies or Czech support of Zionists by sending arms to let
Stalin pretend innocense.

Resistance to occupation is always lawful by any means available. And that is
specifically because it was approved against the Nazis in WWII.

I personally think that _whenever_ a Syrian-backed
organization hits Israel, the Israelis should pick out a block or two
of Damascus -- preferably one inhabited by the Syrian upper clases --
level it, and then do a follow-up raid a half-hour later to take out
the rescue parties and any survivors.

And I think the US should have nuked Tel Aviv in response to the attack on the
USS Liberty but opinions vary particularly among Izziehuggers. That would be in
similar proportion to Israel's vengence attacks on occupied Gaza.

Let the *******s _bleed_ like they made Lebanon bleed.

The Druze SLA army that Israel financed to start the civil war in Lebanon (with
the hope of establishing a friendly Christian government) was the one which
asked Syria to intervene to save their butts. As the SLA was an Israeli puppet
we rationally assume that request was made with the approval of Israel. Israel
tried to abandon their puppets but public opinion forced the government not only
to give them residence but citizenship if they requested it.

Do you really expect to get away with Zionist lies when posting to me? The
reason you folks try to shut me out of s.h.w-i is because I know the facts and
do not subscribe to your izziehugging imaginary history.

How does if feel to deal with a man who knows more about Israel than you do?

In light of what really happened OTL if you can make a case for Israel and its
actions please do so.

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Matt Giwer wrote in
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Jordan wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:
Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.

How does that act of war improve matters?

By demonstrating to the Syrians that when they commit acts of war
against Israel through third party clients, Syria will suffer _direct_
retaliation.

Resistance to occupation is lawful and not an act of war EVEN IF
there were
evidence of the implicit assertion that Syria were sponsoring it.
Capturing a prisoner of war from the occupying power is lawful in
international law. Their only obligation is to allow Red Cross visits
along with proper treatment in accordance with his rank.

And when has that ever happened?
The ICRC won't get to see the latest abductee and you know it.
He will be murdered in contravention of the laws of war.
And-uh sneaking into Israel proper isn't allowed.
Were it an attack by regular forces of the Palestinian authority
that would be one thing but then it would be open war and that
is something the Paleosimians cannot afford.

In any case the Paleosimians have made their bed and will have to
lie in it. Well they lie anyway its just now they have to do it
from a horizontal position.

IBM