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Howard Nelson wrote:
Ya know. I think David actually left. Not a bad troll through muddy waters however. IMO the election was a contest between the people pulling the wagon and the people riding in the wagon. Luckily 51% of the people were pulling the wagon so it will probably keep moving (perfect wagon with no losses to friction etc.). Once 51% or greater are riding in the wagon then it will only move downhill. Howard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 What do you base this on? If we analyze the tax receipts of states who voted for W and the ones that voted for Kerry, we'll see that those darn Kerry supportin' states are sitting in the wagon waiting for us to pull them along while generating the VAST MAJORITY of taxes! I haven't done an analysis for this year yet (obviously, since the year isn't over and the data isn't there yet) but I do have the numbers for the 2000 contest. Since we had essentially the same red/blue map, this is still telling. The bottom line? Total tax receipts from states that voted for each candidate, in $millions: Go $1,202,891,545 Bush: $873,151,976 SOURCE: 2000 IRS Data Book, Publication 55b. Also Chief Financial Officer, Revenue Accounting, Office of Revenue Systems N:CFO:R. Who's pulling the cart? I have the excel sheet if you'd like to dig in yourself. What amazes me is that the people in the red states simply haven't realized how much they are shooting themselves in the foot by supporting Bush's tax cuts. Most of that money stayed in the blue states! Unless the people in the red states really think that the money is distributed according to contribution, they should be careful what they wish for when they want to "get the gubmint off our back". If the gubmint does this, they're going to need to provide a hell of a lot more faith based social services than they are right now. There will be a lot of destitute farmers, and the suburbanites will NOT like the state of their highway systems. The urban folks will have even crappier schools and rising crime rates. But the gubmint won't be on their backs! It irks me when I hear that this election was decided on values and morals, suggesting that Bush has a monopoly on morality. In fact, I argue that the majority of people in the blue states hold moral values that make financing social programs that improve the poor's situation more important than lower taxes. They hold moral values that recognize honesty with the American people on issues of war and peace to be important. They also hold moral values that place civil rights and due process in our justice system to be sacred. All moral choices that the president doesn't agree with me and about half the people that voted. I am a left leaning centrist on social issues and consider myself to be a fiscal conservative. When a Republican president irritates me this much, I really am concerned for the country. After this election there won't be much in terms of a moderating political force, and historically that can lead to some pretty hairy situation. -Aviv |
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I haven't done an analysis for this year yet (obviously, since the year
isn't over and the data isn't there yet) but I do have the numbers for the 2000 contest. Since we had essentially the same red/blue map, this is still telling. The bottom line? Total tax receipts from states that voted for each candidate, in $millions: Go $1,202,891,545 Bush: $873,151,976 The real analysis would be to determine what percentage of each state's tax receipts were generated by people who work for the government, or who are on the government dole. Since people being paid by the government (employees, retirees, what have you) do not generate any income in the purest sense, the "taxes" they "pay" are entirely illusory. Same with anyone on the dole. Re-do your figures, Aviv, taking this into account, and I think you'll see a DRAMATIC reversal of your numbers. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Kerry and his wife paid a net 12% tax on their billions in income.
I can only assume that Gore voters are more willing to have the wool pulled over their eyes. Aviv Hod wrote: Total tax receipts from states that voted for each candidate, in $millions: Go $1,202,891,545 Bush: $873,151,976 |
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"Aviv Hod" wrote in message ... It irks me when I hear that this election was decided on values and morals, suggesting that Bush has a monopoly on morality. In fact, I argue that the majority of people in the blue states hold moral values that make financing social programs that improve the poor's situation more important than lower taxes. Quite a few of those programs are solidly in the immoral category and are in place simply to garner liberals votes come election day. |
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Aviv Hod wrote in message ...
cut It irks me when I hear that this election was decided on values and morals, suggesting that Bush has a monopoly on morality. In fact, I argue that the majority of people in the blue states hold moral values that make financing social programs that improve the poor's situation more important than lower taxes. They hold moral values that recognize honesty with the American people on issues of war and peace to be important. They also hold moral values that place civil rights and due process in our justice system to be sacred. All moral choices that the president doesn't agree with me and about half the people that voted. Look at a usual electoral map for 2004, say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:U...lCollege.p ng And then this map of slave/free states and territories c1860: http://www.learner.org/biographyofamerica/prog10/maps/ Damn near identical areas. What moral values again? The USA would have been better off to let the slavers seceed. They've been dragging the country down for centuries: slavery, bigotry, and financially. And now they're sticking us with idiots like Bush. |
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"David Brooks" wrote in message
One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit. Well, for those that can't mix the two, that is. There are those rare folks that are so set in their ways that there is no possible means of even agreeing to disagree. I feel for those kinda people. Some folks can chew cornbread and walk at the same time. Some can dip a wing and still fly straight. Some can pat their head and rub their tummy at the same time. I swear - I've seen all of this done! Most folks can even have an occasional off-topic political conversation with cyber-friends and remain friends. And some . . . Can't do any of those. I hate it, David, but it's your loss, bub. -- Jim Fisher |
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See ya.
Perhaps France will serve you better. "David Brooks" wrote in message ... One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit. Most of my flight instructors have, I know, been to the right of me politically. I had a most enjoyable flight with CJ - although he has since earned my undying enmity by unapologetically using the term "Final Solution" in connection with me and people like me, an astonishing thought coming from an avowedly religious man, but telling and apt. But now it seems the nation has, albeit by a slim margin, re-elected a weak, hypocritical, murderous coward. Three years ago, when some writers on the left started talking about fascism, I thought that an absurd stretch. No longer. The parallels are not precise - they never are - but the broad sweep and many of the components of a new fascist state are in place. The 48% who didn't vote for this disaster keep knocking on my consciousness, but they are now feeble and impotent. The thugs are in charge. That being so, and despite what should be an apolitical setting, I can no longer in good faith keep company with a group of which the majority, I know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home, into the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters. So long. Thanks for all the conversations. You guys have made me a better pilot. -- David Brooks |
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Oh puhleeze.... spare us the piety. Now that "the nation has, albeit by a
slim margin, re-elected a weak, hypocritical, murderous coward" you are gonna take your toys and go home. Well good riddance. America was built by human beings of far stronger character than you. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. David Brooks wrote: One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit. Most of my flight instructors have, I know, been to the right of me politically. I had a most enjoyable flight with CJ - although he has since earned my undying enmity by unapologetically using the term "Final Solution" in connection with me and people like me, an astonishing thought coming from an avowedly religious man, but telling and apt. But now it seems the nation has, albeit by a slim margin, re-elected a weak, hypocritical, murderous coward. Three years ago, when some writers on the left started talking about fascism, I thought that an absurd stretch. No longer. The parallels are not precise - they never are - but the broad sweep and many of the components of a new fascist state are in place. The 48% who didn't vote for this disaster keep knocking on my consciousness, but they are now feeble and impotent. The thugs are in charge. That being so, and despite what should be an apolitical setting, I can no longer in good faith keep company with a group of which the majority, I know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home, into the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters. So long. Thanks for all the conversations. You guys have made me a better pilot. -- David Brooks |
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See you in four ytears from now... And we 'll see your ass... |
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Why wait four "ytears"... you can take a good look at my ass today if you like.
Nemo l'Ancien wrote: See you in four ytears from now... And we 'll see your ass... |
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