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Rebuttal to V-22 EXPOSÉ TIME MAGAZINE
V-22 EXPOSÉ: FURTHER EVIDENCE OF TIME MAGAZINE'S DECLINE. Lexington
Institute. http://lexingtoninstitute.org/1183.shtml V-22 EXPOSÉ: FURTHER EVIDENCE OF TIME MAGAZINE'S DECLINE Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D. Issue Brief Oct 4, 2007 There's sad news from our nation's capital this week friends. It turns out that the Marine Corps has been run for a quarter century by incompetent leaders who have worked closely with corrupt members of Congress to put young Marines in aircraft that will get them killed. The only thing that can save us from this cabal is courageous investigative reporting that reveals the rot destroying our defense establishment. Oops -- my mistake! I just described the screenplay for Oliver Stone's next movie. The sad news from Washington I meant to discuss was the continuing erosion of Time Magazine's relevance in the modern world, as reflected in its goofy cover story this week about the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor that the Marine Corps and other military services are buying. Time Magazine used to be a major force in American journalism, but now it is searching desperately for readers in a news market crowded with more engaging alternatives. Faced with the same extinction that claimed sister publication Life Magazine, Time is resorting to an old journalistic tool to hold market share -- sensationalism. Since it's hard to be sensational if you have to report all the facts, Time reporter Mark Thompson has elected to include only the bad stuff. Unfortunately, this results in an account of the V-22's development that could only be true if the Marine Corps had been run by idiots for the last 25 years -- idiots who don't care about the fate of their fellow Marines in combat. It isn't really necessary to rebut this ridiculous thesis, because the V-22 is deploying for combat in Iraq and we will soon have unambiguous indicators of its performance. But just for fun... 1. Time says the V-22 was so bad that even defense secretary Dick Cheney wanted to cancel it. Actually, Cheney killed a hundred major weapons programs in four years at the Pentagon, and V-22 was the one program he couldn't convince Congress to eliminate. 2. Time says the V-22 has suffered half a dozen major mishaps during development claiming 30 lives. That's true, but it fails to mention that the CH-46 helicopter the Osprey will replace suffered 44 major mishaps during its first five years of service. 3. Time says the V-22 should be equipped with a forward-firing gun to perform its assault support role. That will come as news to the military, since no assault support aircraft in the joint fleet carries a forward-firing gun. 4. Time says V-22 lacks the "autorotation" capacity that allows helicopters to descend to a survivable landing if engines fail. Well duh: V-22 isn't a helicopter. However, it has more unpowered glide capability than any chopper in the fleet. 5. Time says the latest version of V-22 is only ready to fly 62% of the time. The real mission-capable rate is 70% -- not bad for a new aircraft, and much better than the aging helicopters the Air Force uses for search and rescue in Iraq. I could go on, but what's the point? There's no market for good news about weapons systems. But you're still going to be hearing a lot about the V-22 in Iraq, because any aircraft that combines the speed and range of airplanes with the vertical agility of helicopters will change the way we wage war. |
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Rebuttal to V-22 EXPOSÉ TIME MAGAZINE
Since it's hard to be sensational if you have to report all the facts, Time reporter Mark Thompson has elected to include only the bad stuff. Unfortunately, this results in an account of the V-22's development that could only be true if the Marine Corps had been run by idiots for the last 25 years -- idiots who don't care about the fate of their fellow Marines in combat. It isn't really necessary to rebut this ridiculous thesis, because the V-22 is deploying for combat in Iraq and we will soon have unambiguous indicators of its performance. But just for fun... 1. Time says the V-22 was so bad that even defense secretary Dick Cheney wanted to cancel it. Actually, Cheney killed a hundred major weapons programs in four years at the Pentagon, and V-22 was the one program he couldn't convince Congress to eliminate. Pork! Pork! Pork! 2. Time says the V-22 has suffered half a dozen major mishaps during development claiming 30 lives. That's true, but it fails to mention that the CH-46 helicopter the Osprey will replace suffered 44 major mishaps during its first five years of service. Maybe we should build more CH-46s. 4. Time says V-22 lacks the "autorotation" capacity that allows helicopters to descend to a survivable landing if engines fail. Well duh: V-22 isn't a helicopter. However, it has more unpowered glide capability than any chopper in the fleet. What's best glide speed ? Touchdown speed in feathered airplane mode? And you can't practice that-it means losing the rotors and probably the engine gearboxes and maybe the engine nacelle as well if the rotors don't snap or bend easily. 5. Time says the latest version of V-22 is only ready to fly 62% of the time. The real mission-capable rate is 70% -- not bad for a new aircraft, and much better than the aging helicopters the Air Force uses for search and rescue in Iraq. I could go on, but what's the point? There's no market for good news about weapons systems. But you're still going to be hearing a lot about the V-22 in Iraq, because any aircraft that combines the speed and range of airplanes with the vertical agility of helicopters will change the way we wage war. It will send a lot of people home in boxes. It should be pushed off the deck in deep water. |
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Rebuttal to V-22 EXPOSÉ TIME MAGAZINE
"Mike" wrote in message ups.com... V-22 EXPOSÉ: FURTHER EVIDENCE OF TIME MAGAZINE'S DECLINE. Lexington Institute. http://lexingtoninstitute.org/1183.shtml V-22 EXPOSÉ: FURTHER EVIDENCE OF TIME MAGAZINE'S DECLINE Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D. Issue Brief Oct 4, 2007 one burst of fire into the "wing" of the v-22 will screw up the gearing and it will drop like a brick. |
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Rebuttal to V-22 EXPOSÉ TIME MAGAZINE
On Oct 8, 11:18 am, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message ups.com... V-22 EXPOSÉ: FURTHER EVIDENCE OF TIME MAGAZINE'S DECLINE. Lexington Institute.http://lexingtoninstitute.org/1183.shtml V-22 EXPOSÉ: FURTHER EVIDENCE OF TIME MAGAZINE'S DECLINE Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D. Issue Brief Oct 4, 2007 one burst of fire into the "wing" of the v-22 will screw up the gearing and it will drop like a brick. Based on what evidence? Which Live-Fire test results have you seen to support this? I've never met you so I don't know what you look like but I don't remember your name on the guest list when we were shooting, repeatedly into the wing structurs, gearing, and all the other components. BB I guess everybody has some mountain to climb. It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet... |
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On Oct 8, 3:05 pm, BlackBeard wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:18 am, "Ray O'Hara" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message oups.com... V-22 EXPOSÉ: FURTHER EVIDENCE OF TIME MAGAZINE'S DECLINE. Lexington Institute.http://lexingtoninstitute.org/1183.shtml V-22 EXPOSÉ: FURTHER EVIDENCE OF TIME MAGAZINE'S DECLINE Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D. Issue Brief Oct 4, 2007 one burst of fire into the "wing" of the v-22 will screw up the gearing and it will drop like a brick. Based on what evidence? Which Live-Fire test results have you seen to support this? I've never met you so I don't know what you look like but I don't remember your name on the guest list when we were shooting, repeatedly into the wing structurs, gearing, and all the other components. I trust you are feeling better, hope everything is going good for you. I won't ask any no-no stuff, but did things generally go well there? I know that in things like choppers there have been suprising advances in the past 20 or so years in materials, not just ones for airframe strength and less weight, but in strength. I'm wondering if that plays in. Not just in the shafts themselves but in the wings around them, how things are layered (Like the protected cruisrer concept maybe?) etc. I won't ask what those long driveshafts are made of, I'm guessing the main worry would be the areas where they gear into things, and I won't push too much on that if you don't want to really get into it. BB I guess everybody has some mountain to climb. It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet... |
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On Oct 8, 2:02 pm, "David E. Powell"
I trust you are feeling better, hope everything is going good for you. I won't ask any no-no stuff, but did things generally go well there? I know that in things like choppers there have been suprising advances in the past 20 or so years in materials, not just ones for airframe strength and less weight, but in strength. I'm wondering if that plays in. Not just in the shafts themselves but in the wings around them, how things are layered (Like the protected cruisrer concept maybe?) etc. I won't ask what those long driveshafts are made of, I'm guessing the main worry would be the areas where they gear into things, and I won't push too much on that if you don't want to really get into it. I won't violate my reading-out So no details. The generic answer is yes. Many of those upgrades to the old helos is the same technology that was available or actually developed in conjunction with the V-22. In some cases with Live-Fire tests the manufacture comes to the test confident in what the results will be. It doesn't take long for them to realize they were optimistic. But by congressional mandate they must pass the LFT&E program. So they keep coming back until the components/structure/engines etc. pass the requirements. As to your (chopper) Helo comment. We were testing an upgrade to the XX platform and shot a certain gearbox. The 'cap' came off, all the lubricant and the one of a pair of bearings was expelled from the housing. The Helo continued to hover for 30 minutes. The pilots watching the test were amazed and one commented that with a hit lke that he would have "set her down immediately and resolved himself to being captured." Yet here was hands-on proof he could have flown for 30 minutes to hopefully less-hostile territory. Feeling better from what? BB I guess everybody has some mountain to climb. It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet... |
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Rebuttal to V-22 EXPOSÉ TIME MAGAZINE
"BlackBeard" wrote in message ups.com... Feeling better from what? Being in the Navy. Glenn D. |
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Rebuttal to V-22 EXPOSÉ TIME MAGAZINE
On Oct 8, 2:18 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message ups.com... V-22 EXPOSÉ: FURTHER EVIDENCE OF TIME MAGAZINE'S DECLINE. Lexington Institute.http://lexingtoninstitute.org/1183.shtml V-22 EXPOSÉ: FURTHER EVIDENCE OF TIME MAGAZINE'S DECLINE Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D. Issue Brief Oct 4, 2007 one burst of fire into the "wing" of the v-22 will screw up the gearing and it will drop like a brick. The only gearing in the wing would effect control surfaces and engine tilt. Well, I guess you could call the gears in the engines "in the wing". But other than blasting an engine sufficent to kill that engine AND sever the connection to the other engine, there's no "gearing" in the wing that's going to drop the bird. Blasting the cross connect drive shaft won't do it assuming both engines are still running. But you know, just like a helicopter, blast a rotor in to inoperablity and it will crash. |
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Rebuttal to V-22 EXPOSÉ TIME MAGAZINE
On Oct 8, 3:02 pm, "Glenn Dowdy" wrote:
"BlackBeard" wrote in message ups.com... Feeling better from what? Being in the Navy. Glenn D. Smart ass! BB I guess everybody has some mountain to climb. It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet... |
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Rebuttal to V-22 EXPOSÉ TIME MAGAZINE
On Oct 8, 1:18 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
one burst of fire into the "wing" of the v-22 will screw up the gearing and it will drop like a brick. Ray, a burst of fire into quite a few places on most helicopters will accomplish the same thing. These aircraft can get into and out of LZs faster than the airframes they are replacing, given them a shorter exposure time. I am not a fan of the huge footprint of the Osprey, but we can't expect the CH 46s to soldier on forever. v/r Gordon |
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