Descent below MDA -- what would you do?

Click the mic and turn the lights on.

On 14 Aug 2005 07:54:47 -0700, Doug wrote:

Click the mic and turn the lights on.

Doug,

No PCL per Duat.

Allen

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:46:09 -0500, A Lieberman
wrote:

On 14 Aug 2005 07:54:47 -0700, Doug wrote:

Click the mic and turn the lights on.

Doug,

No PCL per Duat.

Allen

PCL on 122.8 per the Jepp approach chart
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

wrote in message ...
The reason I ask about the phone is because you could have opted to cancel
IFR
and then do whatever you wanted to do to get in and land.

In the absence of radio or phone contact, can you unilaterally cancel IFR
and inform ATC after you land?

--Gary

Go MISSED! It is descending below the MDA like this that caused the
Gulfstream crash at Aspen. Trying to "stuff it in" they discovered the
visibility blocked the runway and they CRASHED and DIED.

Gary Drescher wrote:

wrote in message ...
The reason I ask about the phone is because you could have opted to cancel
IFR
and then do whatever you wanted to do to get in and land.

In the absence of radio or phone contact, can you unilaterally cancel IFR
and inform ATC after you land?

--Gary

For non-commercial operations I don't see why not. But, it's not clean and
someone may say it was wrong to hold the airspace when you had "cancelled" as a
state of mind. Or, some might argue that a cancellation does not take effect
until ATC acknowledges its receipt.

Murky waters but I suspect the not-for-hire pilot would prevail in any
enforcement proceeding. It's more of an issue of ATC policy as opposed to
regulations, per se.

wrote in message ...
Gary Drescher wrote:

wrote in message
...
The reason I ask about the phone is because you could have opted to
cancel
IFR
and then do whatever you wanted to do to get in and land.

In the absence of radio or phone contact, can you unilaterally cancel IFR
and inform ATC after you land?

--Gary

For non-commercial operations I don't see why not. But, it's not clean
and
someone may say it was wrong to hold the airspace when you had "cancelled"
as a
state of mind.

But if the alternative were to not cancel at all, then the airspace would be
just as held-up.

Or, some might argue that a cancellation does not take effect
until ATC acknowledges its receipt.

Yup, that's what I'm unsure about. Also, if you did cancel unilaterally,
would you then squawk 1200 in case ATC still had radar contact?

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:

wrote in message ...

The reason I ask about the phone is because you could have opted to cancel
IFR
and then do whatever you wanted to do to get in and land.


In the absence of radio or phone contact, can you unilaterally cancel IFR
and inform ATC after you land?

How do you "unilaterally" cancel IFR?

Matt

Doug wrote:

Go MISSED! It is descending below the MDA like this that caused the
Gulfstream crash at Aspen. Trying to "stuff it in" they discovered the
visibility blocked the runway and they CRASHED and DIED.

That was a night approach into an airport that is marginally (at best) an
IFR airport. And, it was a jet airplane.

A single-engine light aircraft going to a relatively flat-land CAT A/B
only airport in the daytime, and with pretty good weather is a very
different set of circumstances than what happened at Aspen.

Gary Drescher wrote:
wrote in message ...

The reason I ask about the phone is because you could have opted to cancel
IFR
and then do whatever you wanted to do to get in and land.


In the absence of radio or phone contact, can you unilaterally cancel IFR
and inform ATC after you land?

No.