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Wing Tape - Does Thickness Affect Performance?
Perhaps I'm just lucky, but I've never felt any need for an in-flight
relief system. Is this urge to go something most pilots are subject to, or just a sub-set? Or is it something I can look forward to? I'm not trying to start anything, I'd just like to know if there are others like me. For the record, I'm 58, I'll drink up to 48 ounces of water during flights, I've been airborne up to 6 hours, and I fly in eastern Pennsylvania. -John |
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Wing Tape - Does Thickness Affect Performance?
You can look forward to it, eventually. It helps if
the cockpit seat is reclined a good bit; lying down helps us spend 8 hours in bed without going. I'm down to about 4 hrs in the cockpit without relief and I have about 18 years on you. At 17:44 25 January 2007, Jcarlyle wrote: Perhaps I'm just lucky, but I've never felt any need for an in-flight relief system. Is this urge to go something most pilots are subject to, or just a sub-set? Or is it something I can look forward to? I'm not trying to start anything, I'd just like to know if there are others like me. For the record, I'm 58, I'll drink up to 48 ounces of water during flights, I've been airborne up to 6 hours, and I fly in eastern Pennsylvania. -John |
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Wing Tape - Does Thickness Affect Performance?
You would not like the results of a ruptured bladder if you crash on
landing! It can be (and has been) fatal, as it is sometimes not detected till too late. -- Hartley Falbaum "Nyal Williams" wrote in message ... You can look forward to it, eventually. It helps if the cockpit seat is reclined a good bit; lying down helps us spend 8 hours in bed without going. I'm down to about 4 hrs in the cockpit without relief and I have about 18 years on you. At 17:44 25 January 2007, Jcarlyle wrote: Perhaps I'm just lucky, but I've never felt any need for an in-flight relief system. Is this urge to go something most pilots are subject to, or just a sub-set? Or is it something I can look forward to? I'm not trying to start anything, I'd just like to know if there are others like me. For the record, I'm 58, I'll drink up to 48 ounces of water during flights, I've been airborne up to 6 hours, and I fly in eastern Pennsylvania. -John |
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Wing Tape - Does Thickness Affect Performance?
On Jan 25, 12:41 pm, "jcarlyle" wrote: Perhaps I'm just lucky, but I've never felt any need for an in-flight relief system. Is this urge to go something most pilots are subject to, or just a sub-set? Or is it something I can look forward to? I'm not trying to start anything, I'd just like to know if there are others like me. For the record, I'm 58, I'll drink up to 48 ounces of water during flights, I've been airborne up to 6 hours, and I fly in eastern Pennsylvania. -John John You are very lucky, that your body has that ability. Many man at your age start having problems with frequent urination even when not flying. I am 60 years old. I for one have to get up 3 times during the night. This is caused due to the swelling of the prostrate. Through drugs it can be reduce to twice a night for the moment. It is caused by swelling of the prostrate, which impinges on the bladder. Not only does the bladder get smaller, but it also affects the flow rate and the bladder muscle. In most cases it is a benign swelling of the prostrate. There is an other potential risk and that is a bladder infection because the bladder does not empty completely. This makes it even more important to drink more fluid then normal. As to your iron bladder and Kidneys. I knew a glider pilot who prided him self of being the first one to launch and the last one to land with out drinking and peeing. Guess what, he had total kidney failure after 30 years. He was in his mid sixties. As a side note he excelled in sports as well, he still did competitive Figure skating in his age group just prior to the bad news. Regards Udo |
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Wing Tape - Does Thickness Affect Performance?
jcarlyle wrote:
Perhaps I'm just lucky, but I've never felt any need for an in-flight relief system. Is this urge to go something most pilots are subject to, or just a sub-set? Or is it something I can look forward to? I'm not trying to start anything, I'd just like to know if there are others like me. For the record, I'm 58, I'll drink up to 48 ounces of water during flights, I've been airborne up to 6 hours, and I fly in eastern Pennsylvania. I can be airborne for up to 6 hours, too, without resorting to the relief system, but doing so leaves me noticeably dehydrated. Perhaps this is a more serious concern out here in California/Nevada, but there have been a number of accidents almost certainly due to pilot disorientation resulting from dehydration. I carry a 96 ounce Camelback, and if I'm properly hydrating it will be nearly empty after 6 hours, and I will have peed once or twice... Marc |
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Wing Tape - Does Thickness Affect Performance?
jcarlyle wrote:
Perhaps I'm just lucky, but I've never felt any need for an in-flight relief system. Is this urge to go something most pilots are subject to, or just a sub-set? Or is it something I can look forward to? I'm not trying to start anything, I'd just like to know if there are others like me. For the record, I'm 58, I'll drink up to 48 ounces of water during flights, I've been airborne up to 6 hours, and I fly in eastern Pennsylvania. Here's what I've heard from soaring physicians. You are likely dehydrated enough to affect your flying if: 1) you aren't urinating every 2 or 3 hours, and/or... 2) your urine is a dark yellow instead of pale yellow My guess is you are taking off already dehydrated, so even drinking 48 ounces isn't enough to hydrate you during a 6 hour flight. Personally, I am noticeably dehydrated after 6 hours in the cockpit in the summer if I drink only 48 oz. I'm 64. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly * "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4 * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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Wing Tape - Does Thickness Affect Performance?
Thanks, Nyal. My seat is reclined, but perhaps the "changes" I can look
forward to haven't yet happened. Hartley, I'm sure I wouldn't like a ruptured bladder. But if one doesn't "have to go" then there shouldn't be any danger, correct? I've had 5 hour flights where I drank as described, landed, disassembled the glider and put it away, driven an hour to get home, had dinner, and only then did I feel the "urge". Just lucky? Or pushing it? -John On Jan 25, 1:12 pm, "HL Falbaum" wrote: You would not like the results of a ruptured bladder if you crash on landing! It can be (and has been) fatal, as it is sometimes not detected till too late. |
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Wing Tape - Does Thickness Affect Performance?
Based on the number of cross country or contest gliders I have seen with
pee tubes/systems, and more conversations and anecdotal experience than you can imagine, I think you are one in a thousand. Virtually every cross country and contest pilot I know has a pee system and uses it. Dehydration, whether you need to pee or not, is a killer. Drink _plenty_ of the right liquids, pee when needed. Period. Larry Goddard "01" USA "jcarlyle" wrote in message ups.com: Perhaps I'm just lucky, but I've never felt any need for an in-flight relief system. Is this urge to go something most pilots are subject to, or just a sub-set? Or is it something I can look forward to? I'm not trying to start anything, I'd just like to know if there are others like me. For the record, I'm 58, I'll drink up to 48 ounces of water during flights, I've been airborne up to 6 hours, and I fly in eastern Pennsylvania. -John |
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Wing Tape - Does Thickness Affect Performance?
Udo, Marc, Eric - thanks for your inputs. I looked up "symptoms of
dehydration" with Google and found this: Symptoms * Dry or sticky mouth * Low or no urine output; concentrated urine appears dark yellow * Not producing tears * Sunken eyes Signs and tests (from a physical exam) * Low blood pressure * Blood pressure that drops when you go from lying down to standing * Rapid heart rate * Poor skin turgor (pinched skin doesn't spring right back into position) Udo, I can sleep for 8 hours without a bathroom visit, but my father couldn't starting at about 70. Marc, you say "noticably dehydrated" - what symptoms did you exhibit? Eric, my last bathroom visit before flight usually produces a goodly amount of pale urine and I don't have a dry mouth, so I don't think I'm dehydrated before flight. I'll keep alert for signs, though. -John |
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Treat Your Body Like the Fine Flying Machine It Is [was WingTape....]
jcarlyle wrote:
But if one doesn't "have to go" then there shouldn't be any danger, correct? I've had 5 hour flights where I drank as described, landed, disassembled the glider and put it away, driven an hour to get home, had dinner, and only then did I feel the "urge". Just lucky? Or pushing it? I use the same guidance I give the kids before car trips, etc., when they always complain, "But, I don't have to," and that I've used in forty years of all kinds of flying: I say, "Go when you CAN, not when you have to." Safety, schedules, and health are all better maintained that way. Why push it, and why build habit patterns that will make it tougher to adjust when your body does begin to show the common problems of aging? Jack |
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