China to buy Eurofighters?

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:11:46 -0600, tscottme wrote:
Scott Ferrin wrote in message
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In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

What makes you think the Europeans don't want the next problem for the
US to be as bad as possible? They have no hope of exceeding the US
unless a full-scale war devastates the US.

The EU will exceed the US economically next year (if it hasn't
already).

The fact that it helps
communists is a happy coincidence.

troll/loony alert

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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:11:46 -0600, tscottme wrote:
Scott Ferrin wrote in message
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In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

What makes you think the Europeans don't want the next problem for the
US to be as bad as possible? They have no hope of exceeding the US
unless a full-scale war devastates the US.

The EU will exceed the US economically next year (if it hasn't
already).

Nope: http://www.eurolegal.org/uspoleur.shtml

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:36:29 -0800, Tarver Engineering wrote:

"phil hunt" wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:11:46 -0600, tscottme wrote:
Scott Ferrin wrote in message
.. .



In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

What makes you think the Europeans don't want the next problem for the
US to be as bad as possible? They have no hope of exceeding the US
unless a full-scale war devastates the US.

The EU will exceed the US economically next year (if it hasn't
already).

Nope: http://www.eurolegal.org/uspoleur.shtml

Doesm't disagree with me. It shows thje EU's GDP as about 10% less
than the USA's, which difference will be made up next year when 10
new countries join. Furthermore, the euro has been appreciating
against the dollar (by 20% this year) so if we count GDP at current
exchange rates (the other way being PPP) the EU may already be
ahead.

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ess (phil hunt) wrote:

The EU will exceed the US economically next year (if it hasn't
already).

How can a shrinking economy, with high unemployment (Europe) overtake a
growing economy, with decreasing unemployment (the US)?

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Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
ess (phil hunt) wrote:


The EU will exceed the US economically next year (if it hasn't
already).


How can a shrinking economy, with high unemployment (Europe) overtake a
growing economy, with decreasing unemployment (the US)?

Can only happen if one or more of your assumptions here was wrong.

John

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:06:00 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:
In article ,
ess (phil hunt) wrote:

The EU will exceed the US economically next year (if it hasn't
already).

How can a shrinking economy, with high unemployment (Europe) overtake a
growing economy, with decreasing unemployment (the US)?

Prediction: in 2004 the EU's economy wil grow by more than the USA's
economy.

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"tscottme" wrote in message
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What makes you think the Europeans don't want the next problem for the
US to be as bad as possible? They have no hope of exceeding the US
unless a full-scale war devastates the US. The fact that it helps
communists is a happy coincidence.

You're quite insane.

Regards,

Si

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:04:27 GMT, Scott Ferrin wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:09:10 +0000, ess (phil
hunt) wrote:

item: In October, a Chinese official report called for greater trade
with the EU, and for the EU's arms embrago against China to be
lifted.

item: German foreign minister Gerhard Schroder recently visited
China and said arms embrago should be lifted.

item: a spokesman for EADS (large European arms manufacturer, which
is one of the main partners in Eurofighter) recently called for the
embargo to end.

Any speculation as to what weapons China wants to buy? I think the
Eurofighter. Also on the shopping list might be ASRAAM, Meteor and
ASTER anti-aircraft missiles.

There's a more detailed discussion of this on my blog at:
http://www.cabalamat.org/weblog/art_97.html


In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

You say that as if you assume hostility is obviously going to
happen. I'd like to see your reasoning for that...

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Not sure about his reasoning, but the possibility of war over Taiwanese
independence is always a possibility. No telling what would happen if
Taiwan declares independence (again being discussed now) but the US almost
surely intervene, and then it is probably a matter of time before Europe was
dragged in.

Jarg

"phil hunt" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:04:27 GMT, Scott Ferrin
wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:09:10 +0000, ess (phil
hunt) wrote:

item: In October, a Chinese official report called for greater trade
with the EU, and for the EU's arms embrago against China to be
lifted.

item: German foreign minister Gerhard Schroder recently visited
China and said arms embrago should be lifted.

item: a spokesman for EADS (large European arms manufacturer, which
is one of the main partners in Eurofighter) recently called for the
embargo to end.

Any speculation as to what weapons China wants to buy? I think the
Eurofighter. Also on the shopping list might be ASRAAM, Meteor and
ASTER anti-aircraft missiles.

There's a more detailed discussion of this on my blog at:
http://www.cabalamat.org/weblog/art_97.html


In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

You say that as if you assume hostility is obviously going to
happen. I'd like to see your reasoning for that...

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people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
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the last two letters).

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:12:33 +0000, ess (phil
hunt) wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:04:27 GMT, Scott Ferrin wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:09:10 +0000, ess (phil
hunt) wrote:

item: In October, a Chinese official report called for greater trade
with the EU, and for the EU's arms embrago against China to be
lifted.

item: German foreign minister Gerhard Schroder recently visited
China and said arms embrago should be lifted.

item: a spokesman for EADS (large European arms manufacturer, which
is one of the main partners in Eurofighter) recently called for the
embargo to end.

Any speculation as to what weapons China wants to buy? I think the
Eurofighter. Also on the shopping list might be ASRAAM, Meteor and
ASTER anti-aircraft missiles.

There's a more detailed discussion of this on my blog at:
http://www.cabalamat.org/weblog/art_97.html


In my opinion selling them top of the line stuff is the height of
stupidity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what the
situation is going to be with China and the West in ten to fifteen
years.

You say that as if you assume hostility is obviously going to
happen. I'd like to see your reasoning for that...

And it seems you assume that it won't. Hoping that nothing will ever
happen isn't such a great idea because if it does and you're not
prepared or worse have strengthened a potential advisary, you're
begging for trouble. China is bent on becoming a superpower and also
has it's eye on expansion and intimidation. Do you think Taiwan has
500 missiles pointed at it for kicks? At some point China will decide
to give it a go. Either they get bitchslapped when they try it and
maybe decide to stay home or they win and say to themselves "hmmm
where to next?"