Bible-beater pilots

nor be required to give away your airplane and all your other worldly
posessions (Matthew 19:16-21. See also Luke 12:33)
nor sell your daughter into slavery (Exodus 21:7-10)

I'm always impressed with how you guys can DO that. How the HECK do you
remember the verses and chapters in such detail?

Of course, I'll bet you can't recite the 1963 version of the Catholic mass
aloud...so nyah! :-)

It makes sense you are a heathen Jay, as God made you evil because you are
bald (Jeremiah 47:5) - so you really can't help yourself.

At last -- a viable excuse! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Sorry about the bad lunch companions. We have these people around here
too.

You have PILOT proselytizers?

I'd never seen one before. Hope I never meet one again.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

At first, Ian, I truly thought your post was a marvelous, well-spun parody
of what I lived through at the casino.

Sadly, I must conclude that you are sincere. I know this is going down an
off-topic sink hole, but I would be interested to hear another pilot (I
assume you are a pilot, if you're here?) give a cogent, logical,
scientifically-proven defense of your beliefs.

Is that possible?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Ian" wrote in message
...
Anyone ever run into this before? What did you do?

All you had to do was get up and leave instead of agonizing over the
politeness of how to exit. Nobody forced you to sit there and listen to
it.

It's clear you and your family have no moral guidance. I can see how
being
raised a Catholic has got you out of tune with God, that's pretty common.
Sure, faith is a personal thing, but we're also commanded to spread the
good
news. Tell others. That's what they were doing. You make it sound like
you were trapped because it makes them sound evil and you appear a victim
and we'll feel sorry for you. It's real funny to laugh at the apparent
hypocrites who want to tell you something important while sitting in a
casino. Well they are as imperfect as the rest of us. Who knows - maybe
they go to the casino just to evangelize because they know there are
people
there like you who need to hear it. It's the message that's important,
not
the person delivering it. Your rejection of the message does not diminish
its truth. Feel free to continue denying God, it is obviously your
choice.
It is your unalienable right in this great country to have whatever
religion
you want, including none at all. When you're standing at the final
judgement you're going to feel pretty silly remembering how you should
have
listened, believed, acted, and provided some leadership to your family in
this most important area of their lives. Are you going to teach your
children about Jesus or let them wander in apathy ? So far, you are lost.
If you think your own inner self, your conscience, your innate sense of
right and wrong should be your guide, if you think its enough just to be a
good person, then you've got it all backwards.

Your prolific newsgroup posting over the last several years now has
provided
some interesting insight into your personality. We know what you look
like,
where you live, what you like to do, where you like to go, how you earn a
living. Isn't it time you quit worshipping the Pathfinder parked out back
and sought out some real meaning to why you're here ? Some real guidance
in
your life ? Pick up the Bible and take another look. That's the real
POH.
It's especially hard for smart, successful people like yourself to believe
that they need Jesus because it makes them accept the fact that they are
inadequate and incomplete without Him. Well get used to that concept.
From
the janitor to the CEO and from the gambler to the hotel owner, that is
exactly what we all need. The only difference is in how long it takes
each
of us to figure it out and make the single most important decision your
entire life. To accept Jesus or reject him. It's just between you and
Him,
nobody else. What is it going to be ?

Jay,

scientifically-proven defense of your beliefs.

Is that possible?


Uh, no. Look at that sentence above again. It's a contradiction. By
definition, there is nothing scientific about beliefs. That's why they
are beliefs, not knowledge.

If you look at the big question of Life, the Universe and Everything
scientifically, at some point you'll have to live with the answer: "I
don't know." Many people are terribly afraid of that (possibly a
variant of "Nature abhors vacuum" ;-)). So they make something up.
That's called religion. Others then exploit that and use it to exert
power over their fellow humans. That's called a church or a religious
community. This simple explanation works for all religions I know of.

Of course, if indeed I should end up standing in front of St. Peter or
Jesus on Judgement Day, it will be a major "Oops"-moment. ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Just praying at the home dinner table is becoming something of an
anachronism these days, but there are still families (like mine) who do
pray
before dinner at restaurants. I can't say that that applies at McDonald's,
because we hardly ever have a sit down dinner at a fast food restaurant,
but
if we bring home some KFC, yes we set the table and say grace.

When we eat a sit-down meal at home (increasingly rare these days) we ALWAYS
say a prayer, mostly out of tradition but also because it's simply a nice
thing to do.

When I was growing up, my family sat stoically at the table and recited the
old "Bless us, oh Lord..." prayer.

Mary's family, on the other hand, always joined hands, and said the "God is
great, God is good..." prayer.

As a result, in our family we now all join hands, and say BOTH prayers --
even though we do not practice any organized religion.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Chris Hoffmann" wrote in message
...

I've had similar experiences - twice in college, once in a mall parking
lot.
Sometimes it's enough to tell them my father is a minister (which he is),
but other times they do what your two gentlemen did. All you can do is
excuse yourself and go elsewhere. Some people take the "go ye therefore
and
teach all nations" line a BIT too seriously. I think it's great that they
have placed such importance on the souls of others, but badgering a person
isn't the way to convert the masses.

As I said, Dad's a minister, and he would be appalled by behavior like
that.
I never asked him why he of all people wouldn't appreciate zeal like that,
but then in all the bible studies I had as a kid, not once did Christ go
seeking out people to convert. They came to Him, and perhaps that's how it
should be.

Ever look at the front page of an Ac-u-Kwik book?

Nope. What's there?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

There are many of us that were raised "hyper-catholic", to use your
phrase,
but not many still carry such a large chip on their shoulder as you. You
really ought to learn to get by all that. It's pretty sad that you can
allow a couple of one-issue old guys to ruin a couple of days of your
life.

???

What chip am I carrying? And how have they ruined more than my lunch?

Sign me "confused"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

when ever approached... be more zealous then they area.. be affirmative..
and try to convert them to your beliefs.. they'll run away.. or stop
talking..

It's been my experience that people who want to talk about their religion
don't much care about mine.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

My goodness, Jay. Get a grip.

Discussing whacko pilots isn't appropriate in a piloting newsgroup?

Get a grip, Larry. I'm sincerely afraid to share the airspace with guys who
think someone Else is steering...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Get a grip, Larry. I'm sincerely afraid to share the airspace with guys who
think someone Else is steering...
--

My sister-in-law had one of those "God is my co-pilot" bumper stickers. She got
really ****ed when I pointed out that if God wrapped it around a tree, he'd be
back in three days but she would not.

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG