Garmin 430

I have a VFR only 172 and I am considering IFR training.

I am looking for the most practical way to make my plane IFR certified
and useful.

At first glance, it appears to me that the Garmin 430 provides a LOT of
useful information for relatively not much money.

I have 2 questions though....

to use the glideslope / VOR / LOC functions of the 430, do I have to
have a glide slope indicator and VOR indicator or are these bits of
information displayed on hte 430 unit?

Is this one piece of equipment enough to enable my 172 to be instrument
certified?

I realize that I will be needing backup instruments to reliably fly in
IMC, that will come with time...what I need now is training and learned
proficiency.

Thanks,

Jamie A. Landers
PP-ASEL

Check these threads

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...7?dmode=source

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...b?dmode=source

On 12/6/2005 15:25, wrote:

I have a VFR only 172 and I am considering IFR training.

I am looking for the most practical way to make my plane IFR certified
and useful.

At first glance, it appears to me that the Garmin 430 provides a LOT of
useful information for relatively not much money.

I have 2 questions though....

to use the glideslope / VOR / LOC functions of the 430, do I have to
have a glide slope indicator and VOR indicator or are these bits of
information displayed on hte 430 unit?


The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in
precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI
for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc.

Is this one piece of equipment enough to enable my 172 to be instrument
certified?

Well, here you have to be careful. There are some who will argue that
you can legally fly IFR with nothing more than a hand-held GPS unit.

You can review FAR 91.205 for required equipment and instruments, and
specifically sub-section (d), which covers IFR.

The Garmin GNS 430 is a TSO C-129 certified unit, so although it can
be used as the sole means of IFR navigation, you must have an alternate
means of navigation on board and functional (there's a lot more to this,
but this is the jist of it).

There is a section in the AIM that talks about the use of a GPS system
in lieu of other navigation equipment, and when it is allowed. You should
check that out as well.

Basically, if you don't have a glide slope receiver, you won't be able
to fly any precision approaches. If you don't have an ADF, you won't
be able to fly any NDB approaches (not that there are that many left).

Let me know if you have any more questions, and watch out: there are
going to be a lot of opinions on this one (just look at the other
GPS threads over the last couple of months or so...).



I realize that I will be needing backup instruments to reliably fly in
IMC, that will come with time...what I need now is training and learned
proficiency.

Simulators can help with some types of proficiency. Let me know if you
want to talk about that.


Thanks,

Jamie A. Landers
PP-ASEL



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ...

The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in
precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI
for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc.
--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane


Garmin says the GNS 430 has a glide slope.
See the second sentence of the first paragraph at:
http://www.garmin.com/products/gns430/

The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in
precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI
for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc.

It has full ILS capability once you provide the CDI unit. I have done
my instrument training with that one unit only.

Ron Lee

On 12/6/2005 5:25 PM, wrote the
following:

At first glance, it appears to me that the Garmin 430 provides a LOT of
useful information for relatively not much money.


It's a great box. IMHO, anyway. I don't care so much for
the SL30 nav/com but the 430 is very well thought out.

I have 2 questions though....

to use the glideslope / VOR / LOC functions of the 430, do I have to
have a glide slope indicator and VOR indicator or are these bits of
information displayed on hte 430 unit?


Contrary to a previous response, the G430 does have a glide
slope function as part of the VLOC function. At least the
one that I fly with does. The 430 does not indicate either
the localizer or the glide slope on its screen however. You
need to buy the separate indicator (CDI).

Garmin has a free simulator and free downloads of the
manuals from their web site. Get the sim and the manuals
and you can learn the box in maybe 5 hours. Enough to get
started flying with it and certainly enough to evaluate it
thoroughly. You should have someone who knows the 430 in
the right seat for the first few flights IMHO.

Is this one piece of equipment enough to enable my 172 to be instrument
certified?


No. Required flight instruments are specified in Part 91.

Mitty wrote:
Garmin has a free simulator and free downloads of the
manuals from their web site. Get the sim and the manuals
and you can learn the box in maybe 5 hours. Enough to get
started flying with it and certainly enough to evaluate it
thoroughly. You should have someone who knows the 430 in
the right seat for the first few flights IMHO.


I cannot emphasize enough how much their simulator helped me get comfortable
with the 430. Not only can you set it up to initialize from your home airport,
you can goose the throttle all the way up to 600 knots so the enroute portion of
your practice flights can be accelerated.

Since I only fly rental aircraft these days, the radios seem to vary widely in
each one available to me. One thing that has become almost universal among the
rental fleet where I live is the Garmin 430. I had been out of flying for
almost 15 years and learned on steam gauges. The Garmin was very intimidating
initially... but the simulator fixed that. And it's free!

http://www.garmin.com/software/simulators/TRAIN430.EXE




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Mark Hansen wrote:

Basically, if you don't have a glide slope receiver, you won't be able
to fly any precision approaches. If you don't have an ADF, you won't
be able to fly any NDB approaches (not that there are that many left).

They're disappearing, but they're not quite dead yet. I count 29 in
New York and New Jersey alone -- I don't know how often they're
actually used, but at least they're still publishing the plates in the
current cycle:

- KBGM NDB 34
- KBUF NDB 5
- KBUF NDB 23
- KCDW NDB or GPS 22
- KCDW NDB or GPS-A
- KFRG NDB 1
- 1B1 NDB-A
- KISP NDB or GPS 6
- NY0 NDB 10
- NY0 NDB 28
- KNEL NDB 24
- N07 NDB or GPS 1
- 06N NDB 26
- KMIV NDB or GPS 14
- KMGJ NDB 3
- KMSV NDB or GPS 15
- KMMU NDB or GPS 5
- KMMU NDB or GPS 23
- KIAG NDB 28R
- KPEO NDB 28
- KPTD NDB 24
- KSCH NDB 22
- KSCH NDB 28
- KTTN NDB or GPS 6
- KUCA NDB or GPS 15
- KELZ NDB 28
- KGTB NDB or GPS 15 (military)
- KGTB NDB or GPS 33 (military)
- KHPN NDB 16


All the best,


David

Forget the 430, get a 480.
The 480 is WAAS certified out of the box.
Garmin has been promising WAAS for the 430 since they started selling
them.

The 430 does indeed have a glideslope receiver. You will have to use a
Garmin indicator to make it work. It is a great box, and second only to the
530 in functionality. I have one of each in two different planes.