Ok, good 2-place for x-country

I am the founder of Freedom's Wings Canada, and we have been flying the
prototype on loan from the unbelievably supportive and cooperative Barry
family at Barry Aviation www.barryaviation.com , since late May of this
year. It is sturdy (almost all metal, fabric control surfaces and some of
the wing), comfortable and offers incredible visibility from a very large
canopy (I can see the tail from the rear seat!). It will climb with our
club's Blaniks but out run them. Rigging and de-rigging is a bit of a
chore, but it is easier by far than our Grob 103. As to the comfort, they
have used Confor foam cushions, and you can sit on your keys for hours
without feeling them.

We love the plane, and are looking forward to delivery of our own, which
will incorporate many improvements.

Charles Petersen


"F.L. Whiteley" wrote in message
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He mentioned something about 30+L/D. Two average-sized people can easily
rig/derig a PW-6.

However, I had a longish talk with Patty Barry this past week. I gather
owning the TC doesn't mean you have Manufacturing Certification. The very
good news is that hurdle should be passed soon and production can ramp up
in
a couple of months or so. This hurricane season slowed them down a little
also. They did deliver one handiquipped version to FreedomsWings Canada
earlier this year. www.freedomswings.ca Picture Gallery

Hopefully the seat and leg room improvements they're incorporating will
make
it more comfortable. I've never rigged/derigged one, so I can't speak to
that. I personally found the rear seat quite comfortable. Someone
mentioned to me last week that the Krosno front seat for him was quite
uncomfortable after a short while.

Frank Whiteley

"Waduino" wrote in message
news
Try a Peregrine (aka Krozno)
Search on Peregrine sailplanes or Barry aviation, assuming you're in the
US.

Wad.

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"Larry Johnson" wrote in message
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My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!

In article ,
Larry Johnson wrote:
My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!

Larry,

The Pucasz 50-3 suits. The Grob 103 is also good, solid, easy to insure.

But what about the Lark at the club? I bet he'd go halfsies
or so on it.

Mark

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Mark J. Boyd

And what about the Lark? It is a rugged, well built glider, with
better than 30:1 L/D. Has good flight characteristics, not too bad
cockpit comforts, and with some patience is not too bad to rig.

The Winnipeg Gliding Club where I fly has owned one for 25 years, and
it is now for sale, complete with trailer. E-mail for details.

Mike

Mike

Buy a PW-6 for modern technology, eh?

2-place x-country is probably much more a product of
the piloting and conditions then the ship. Guenther
Jacobs bangs out 500k's in a Blaink L13 at Parowan...which
is probably further then most modern plastic two-placers
will ever fly. And since he doesn't have a trailer...the
penalty for a landout is rather high.

Looking at it with a budget in mind....I would order
by price/performance along the lines of...

Blanik
Lark
Grob
DG/Duo
ASH/Nimbus

Stewart Kissel wrote in message ...
2-place x-country is probably much more a product of
the piloting and conditions then the ship. Guenther
Jacobs bangs out 500k's in a Blaink L13 at Parowan...which
is probably further then most modern plastic two-placers
will ever fly. And since he doesn't have a trailer...the
penalty for a landout is rather high.

Looking at it with a budget in mind....I would order
by price/performance along the lines of...

Blanik
Lark
Grob
DG/Duo
ASH/Nimbus

Thanks to everyone that contributed to my thread/question. My daughter
will be taking lessons at our club at some point( she's going to be
12)and really enjoys being with Dad- must be the inflight snacks!
Hence the 2-place question. The contributions of this group are
valued. Thanks again

Larry

You forgot to put the PW-6U in between the Lark and a second hand Grob.
Realize as well that the two person rigging and derigging of the
PW-6U is a great advantage.

Stewart Kissel wrote:
2-place x-country is probably much more a product of
the piloting and conditions then the ship. Guenther
Jacobs bangs out 500k's in a Blaink L13 at Parowan...which
is probably further then most modern plastic two-placers
will ever fly. And since he doesn't have a trailer...the
penalty for a landout is rather high.

Looking at it with a budget in mind....I would order
by price/performance along the lines of...

Blanik
Lark
Grob
DG/Duo
ASH/Nimbus

Yes, I did...as well as the Krosno/Peregrine, which
I believe is in production in Florida?




At 11:48 27 October 2004, Charles Yeates wrote:
You forgot to put the PW-6U in between the Lark and
a second hand Grob.
Realize as well that the two person rigging and
derigging of the
PW-6U is a great advantage.

Stewart Kissel wrote:
2-place x-country is probably much more a product
of
the piloting and conditions then the ship. Guenther
Jacobs bangs out 500k's in a Blaink L13 at Parowan...which
is probably further then most modern plastic two-placers
will ever fly. And since he doesn't have a trailer...the
penalty for a landout is rather high.

Looking at it with a budget in mind....I would order
by price/performance along the lines of...

Blanik
Lark
Grob
DG/Duo
ASH/Nimbus

Not quite yet, but will be following manufacturing certification.

"Stewart Kissel" wrote in
message ...
Yes, I did...as well as the Krosno/Peregrine, which
I believe is in production in Florida?




At 11:48 27 October 2004, Charles Yeates wrote:
You forgot to put the PW-6U in between the Lark and
a second hand Grob.
Realize as well that the two person rigging and
derigging of the
PW-6U is a great advantage.

Stewart Kissel wrote:
2-place x-country is probably much more a product
of
the piloting and conditions then the ship. Guenther
Jacobs bangs out 500k's in a Blaink L13 at Parowan...which
is probably further then most modern plastic two-placers
will ever fly. And since he doesn't have a trailer...the
penalty for a landout is rather high.

Looking at it with a budget in mind....I would order
by price/performance along the lines of...

Blanik
Lark
Grob
DG/Duo
ASH/Nimbus