xcsoar

On Aug 10, 10:44*am, Brad wrote:
On Aug 10, 7:38*am, Papa3 wrote:





On Aug 10, 2:07*am, Al wrote:

On Aug 9, 5:18*pm, Papa3 wrote:

Download this version....http://www.bware.it/xcsoar/LK8000alfa9.zip

in the Zip package there is a PDF the explains all.
I got mine working but the 310 I got did not ship with a charger so I
am stuck as well with the trickle charge which is no good.

Al- Hide quoted text -

Downloaded the recommended zip file, which included several different
executables but no PDF. *The Readme file and history files aren't very
helpful in terms of "installation." * After poking around a bit now
that the 310 has enough juice to at least let me navigate around the
system:

- *Doesn't seem to be any way to access the CE shell directly.
- *I copied the PNA executable onto my SD card in the root directory,
but the IPAQ doesn't seem to give me any way to access files on the SD
card (at least not that I could find after reading the skimpy manual
from HP)

I've got to believe there's a way to run the application from the SD
card (i.e. not requiring me to use ActiveSynch to configure and load),
but maybe I'm wrong.

If anyone has access to the instructions for making XCSoar work with a
310, I'd appreciate it.

P3

Put all the files from the latest PNA version into the root directory
of the SD card.

Insert the card into the PNA card slot

Reboot the PNA using the stylus, poking it into the restart hole just
below the mini-USB port

the 310 will boot into the shell

then select the SDMMC folder (you'll need glasses to see it!)

browse down to the SIM or the Flight .exe file and select it

that works for me.

Brad- Hide quoted text -

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Well, I'm making progress...

Managed to figure out how to get to the CE shell just prior to seeing
your post.

However, I'm now less clear on which version is the "PNA Version". I
tried the one from the Italian site referred to by Al above, but after
extracting the files to the SD Card and trying to run the PNA
executable, I get an error message that one of the components is
missing. I tried extracting all files to the root and also
maintaining the original folder names (ie. with XCSoardata) but
neither approach worked.

On Aug 10, 8:46*am, Papa3 wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:44*am, Brad wrote:





On Aug 10, 7:38*am, Papa3 wrote:

On Aug 10, 2:07*am, Al wrote:

On Aug 9, 5:18*pm, Papa3 wrote:

Download this version....http://www.bware.it/xcsoar/LK8000alfa9.zip

in the Zip package there is a PDF the explains all.
I got mine working but the 310 I got did not ship with a charger so I
am stuck as well with the trickle charge which is no good.

Al- Hide quoted text -

Downloaded the recommended zip file, which included several different
executables but no PDF. *The Readme file and history files aren't very
helpful in terms of "installation." * After poking around a bit now
that the 310 has enough juice to at least let me navigate around the
system:

- *Doesn't seem to be any way to access the CE shell directly.
- *I copied the PNA executable onto my SD card in the root directory,
but the IPAQ doesn't seem to give me any way to access files on the SD
card (at least not that I could find after reading the skimpy manual
from HP)

I've got to believe there's a way to run the application from the SD
card (i.e. not requiring me to use ActiveSynch to configure and load),
but maybe I'm wrong.

If anyone has access to the instructions for making XCSoar work with a
310, I'd appreciate it.

P3

Put all the files from the latest PNA version into the root directory
of the SD card.

Insert the card into the PNA card slot

Reboot the PNA using the stylus, poking it into the restart hole just
below the mini-USB port

the 310 will boot into the shell

then select the SDMMC folder (you'll need glasses to see it!)

browse down to the SIM or the Flight .exe file and select it

that works for me.

Brad- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I'm making progress...

Managed to figure out how to get to the CE shell just prior to seeing
your post.

However, I'm now less clear on which version is the "PNA Version". * I
tried the one from the Italian site referred to by Al above, but after
extracting the files to the SD Card and trying to run the PNA
executable, I get an error message that one of the components is
missing. * I tried extracting all files to the root and also
maintaining the original folder names (ie. with XCSoardata) but
neither approach worked.

I am running LK8000alfa9

downloaded from:

www.bware.it/xcsoar

Brad

On Aug 10, 12:25*pm, Brad wrote:
On Aug 10, 8:46*am, Papa3 wrote:





On Aug 10, 10:44*am, Brad wrote:

On Aug 10, 7:38*am, Papa3 wrote:

On Aug 10, 2:07*am, Al wrote:

On Aug 9, 5:18*pm, Papa3 wrote:

Download this version....http://www.bware.it/xcsoar/LK8000alfa9.zip

in the Zip package there is a PDF the explains all.
I got mine working but the 310 I got did not ship with a charger so I
am stuck as well with the trickle charge which is no good.

Al- Hide quoted text -

Downloaded the recommended zip file, which included several different
executables but no PDF. *The Readme file and history files aren't very
helpful in terms of "installation." * After poking around a bit now
that the 310 has enough juice to at least let me navigate around the
system:

- *Doesn't seem to be any way to access the CE shell directly.
- *I copied the PNA executable onto my SD card in the root directory,
but the IPAQ doesn't seem to give me any way to access files on the SD
card (at least not that I could find after reading the skimpy manual
from HP)

I've got to believe there's a way to run the application from the SD
card (i.e. not requiring me to use ActiveSynch to configure and load),
but maybe I'm wrong.

If anyone has access to the instructions for making XCSoar work with a
310, I'd appreciate it.

P3

Put all the files from the latest PNA version into the root directory
of the SD card.

Insert the card into the PNA card slot

Reboot the PNA using the stylus, poking it into the restart hole just
below the mini-USB port

the 310 will boot into the shell

then select the SDMMC folder (you'll need glasses to see it!)

browse down to the SIM or the Flight .exe file and select it

that works for me.

Brad- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I'm making progress...

Managed to figure out how to get to the CE shell just prior to seeing
your post.

However, I'm now less clear on which version is the "PNA Version". * I
tried the one from the Italian site referred to by Al above, but after
extracting the files to the SD Card and trying to run the PNA
executable, I get an error message that one of the components is
missing. * I tried extracting all files to the root and also
maintaining the original folder names (ie. with XCSoardata) but
neither approach worked.

I am running LK8000alfa9

downloaded from:

www.bware.it/xcsoar

Brad- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks to all who responded on and offline. Turns out I had
downloaded the wrong base version, so I was missing a bunch of DLLs
and other config files. Once that got sorted out, I was off and
running.

P3

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:46:42 -0700, Papa3 wrote:

However, I'm now less clear on which version is the "PNA Version". I
tried the one from the Italian site referred to by Al above, but after
extracting the files to the SD Card and trying to run the PNA
executable, I get an error message that one of the components is
missing. I tried extracting all files to the root and also maintaining
the original folder names (ie. with XCSoardata) but neither approach
worked.

What was the missing component?

Its difficult to diagnose the problem without that information.

You probably need to know that GRecordDll.dll is normally missing from
PNA alpha and beta releases. IIRC its absence is silently ignored: XCSoar
runs without it but won't create IGC log files. You can get it by
downloading the latest stable version (5.2.2), and dropping its copy of
GRecordDll.dll into the 310 alongside the exes. Or contact me off list
and I'll send you a copy.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

On Aug 10, 4:14*pm, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:46:42 -0700, Papa3 wrote:
However, I'm now less clear on which version is the "PNA Version". * I
tried the one from the Italian site referred to by Al above, but after
extracting the files to the SD Card and trying to run the PNA
executable, I get an error message that one of the components is
missing. * I tried extracting all files to the root and also maintaining
the original folder names (ie. with XCSoardata) but neither approach
worked.

What was the missing component?

Its difficult to diagnose the problem without that information.

You probably need to know that GRecordDll.dll is normally missing from
PNA alpha and beta releases. IIRC its absence is silently ignored: XCSoar
runs without it but won't create IGC log files. You can get it by
downloading the latest stable version (5.2.2), and dropping its copy of
GRecordDll.dll into the 310 alongside the exes. Or contact me off list
and I'll send you a copy.

--
martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org * * * |

Well, there were a number of DLLs that ship with the 5.2.2 PNA version
missing. Once I loaded the 5.2.2 version onto the SD Card then the
new LX8000alfa, everything seems to be just fine. I think I had
previously loaded a version designed for the PC by accident...

On Aug 10, 1:55*pm, Papa3 wrote:
On Aug 10, 4:14*pm, Martin Gregorie
wrote:



On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:46:42 -0700, Papa3 wrote:
However, I'm now less clear on which version is the "PNA Version". * I
tried the one from the Italian site referred to by Al above, but after
extracting the files to the SD Card and trying to run the PNA
executable, I get an error message that one of the components is
missing. * I tried extracting all files to the root and also maintaining
the original folder names (ie. with XCSoardata) but neither approach
worked.

What was the missing component?

Its difficult to diagnose the problem without that information.

You probably need to know that GRecordDll.dll is normally missing from
PNA alpha and beta releases. IIRC its absence is silently ignored: XCSoar
runs without it but won't create IGC log files. You can get it by
downloading the latest stable version (5.2.2), and dropping its copy of
GRecordDll.dll into the 310 alongside the exes. Or contact me off list
and I'll send you a copy.

--
martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org * * * |

Well, there were a number of DLLs that ship with the 5.2.2 PNA version
missing. * Once I loaded the 5.2.2 version onto the SD Card then the
new LX8000alfa, everything seems to be just fine. * I think I had
previously loaded a version designed for the PC by accident...


So what do you think of it?

On Aug 10, 8:57*pm, Al wrote:
On Aug 10, 1:55*pm, Papa3 wrote:





On Aug 10, 4:14*pm, Martin Gregorie
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:46:42 -0700, Papa3 wrote:
However, I'm now less clear on which version is the "PNA Version". * I
tried the one from the Italian site referred to by Al above, but after
extracting the files to the SD Card and trying to run the PNA
executable, I get an error message that one of the components is
missing. * I tried extracting all files to the root and also maintaining
the original folder names (ie. with XCSoardata) but neither approach
worked.

What was the missing component?

Its difficult to diagnose the problem without that information.

You probably need to know that GRecordDll.dll is normally missing from
PNA alpha and beta releases. IIRC its absence is silently ignored: XCSoar
runs without it but won't create IGC log files. You can get it by
downloading the latest stable version (5.2.2), and dropping its copy of
GRecordDll.dll into the 310 alongside the exes. Or contact me off list
and I'll send you a copy.

--
martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org * * * |

Well, there were a number of DLLs that ship with the 5.2.2 PNA version
missing. * Once I loaded the 5.2.2 version onto the SD Card then the
new LX8000alfa, everything seems to be just fine. * I think I had
previously loaded a version designed for the PC by accident...

So what do you think of it?- Hide quoted text -

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So far, I've only used it to navigate from the comfort of my easy-
chair. Didn't get lost, so that's a good sign :-)

Seriously, I've been flying with Glide Navigator and Pocket-Nav before
that, which is the minimalist approach to situational awareness and
information presentation. I'll need to fly with XCSoar to form an
opinion. The original goal was to have something we could stick into
a Grob 103 for use in local and regional tasks. It looks like it
will fit the bill, though I do get the sense that task entry isn't a
sweet spot for XCSoar. More shortly...

On Aug 11, 8:55*am, Papa3 wrote:
On Aug 10, 8:57*pm, Al wrote:





On Aug 10, 1:55*pm, Papa3 wrote:

On Aug 10, 4:14*pm, Martin Gregorie
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:46:42 -0700, Papa3 wrote:
However, I'm now less clear on which version is the "PNA Version".. * I
tried the one from the Italian site referred to by Al above, but after
extracting the files to the SD Card and trying to run the PNA
executable, I get an error message that one of the components is
missing. * I tried extracting all files to the root and also maintaining
the original folder names (ie. with XCSoardata) but neither approach
worked.

What was the missing component?

Its difficult to diagnose the problem without that information.

You probably need to know that GRecordDll.dll is normally missing from
PNA alpha and beta releases. IIRC its absence is silently ignored: XCSoar
runs without it but won't create IGC log files. You can get it by
downloading the latest stable version (5.2.2), and dropping its copy of
GRecordDll.dll into the 310 alongside the exes. Or contact me off list
and I'll send you a copy.

--
martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org * * * |

Well, there were a number of DLLs that ship with the 5.2.2 PNA version
missing. * Once I loaded the 5.2.2 version onto the SD Card then the
new LX8000alfa, everything seems to be just fine. * I think I had
previously loaded a version designed for the PC by accident...

So what do you think of it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So far, I've only used it to navigate from the comfort of my easy-
chair. *Didn't get lost, so that's a good sign :-)

Seriously, I've been flying with Glide Navigator and Pocket-Nav before
that, which is the minimalist approach to situational awareness and
information presentation. *I'll need to fly with XCSoar to form an
opinion. *The original goal was to have something we could stick into
a Grob 103 for use in local and regional tasks. * *It looks like it
will fit the bill, though I do get the sense that task entry isn't a
sweet spot for XCSoar. * More shortly...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, so far so good. I have the basic configuration items more-or-
less set (geez 20 something different customization screens - we've
done SAP implementations with fewer options :-0 ) Once I got through
that, I was able to load airspace and waypoint files without
problems. Still haven't quite figured out the purpose of Airfields
files (I know, RTFM). The only rub is that I don't seem to be able
to get the Terrain Generator server to create an XCM file for me. Not
sure if it's down or if it's another stupid user issue. I was able
to download a zip file from Sourceforge that contained some terrain
for the eastern part of the US of A, which seems to work, though the
colors and contrast are a little washed out.

Anyway, there's a lot more configuration than what I'm used to with
Glide Navigator, but that's a one-time deal. I'm sure I'll figure
out what settings work best. Thus far, the only complaint is that
the standard landscape mode seems to eat up an awful lot of precious
real-estate on the 310; the data bar on the right side is about 1/3 of
the total screen area. I could do without the vario feature and a
single column of information. Full screen mode seems a little more
efficient in terms of screen usage. We'll see.

Erik

I've recently started using XCSoar with an HP Ipaq 310 and really like
the layout of the LK8000 version.

As previously noted: if you are just begining to use the software on a
PNA device, first install the standard 5.2.2 into an SD card and then
copy the 5.2.3F files onto the same SD card. This insures that the
requisite DLL files are installed. This process IS described on the
bware.com site but not on the XCSoar.org site.

The software is evolving so rapidly that it's very tough to keep up
with the enhancements, especially in the PNA version of the software.
You really need to join the user maillist and get the details as they
are released.

As for the data files; There is a terrain generation page that works
very well IF you use an uploaded turnpoint file. Go to the turnpoint
exchenge and get the standard set for your area of interest.
Cambridge format, save it somewhere you can find it easily. Then go
to the terrain generator page and upload the file using that option on
the starting page. It will ask if you want to add an additional
boundary area around the coordinate set, I use 25KM in addition to the
area the program selects. Start the process and STAY on the status
page until the process is complete. You will get a link to a zip file
that contains all the data you need for your area of turnpoints.

I've probably left out something, but that's the way I remember
getting it all set up.

Mike

Mike Bamberg wrote:
I've recently started using XCSoar with an HP Ipaq 310 and really like
the layout of the LK8000 version.

As previously noted: if you are just begining to use the software on a
PNA device, first install the standard 5.2.2 into an SD card and then
copy the 5.2.3F files onto the same SD card. This insures that the
requisite DLL files are installed. This process IS described on the
bware.com site but not on the XCSoar.org site.

The software is evolving so rapidly that it's very tough to keep up
with the enhancements, especially in the PNA version of the software.
You really need to join the user maillist and get the details as they
are released.

As for the data files; There is a terrain generation page that works
very well IF you use an uploaded turnpoint file. Go to the turnpoint
exchenge and get the standard set for your area of interest.
Cambridge format, save it somewhere you can find it easily. Then go
to the terrain generator page and upload the file using that option on
the starting page. It will ask if you want to add an additional
boundary area around the coordinate set, I use 25KM in addition to the
area the program selects. Start the process and STAY on the status
page until the process is complete. You will get a link to a zip file
that contains all the data you need for your area of turnpoints.

I've probably left out something, but that's the way I remember
getting it all set up.

Mike
I'm using XCSoar, the version Mike mentions, on a Nokia 500 PNA. I love
it, and with the LK8000 version, there's not so much wasted screen area.
To what Mike said, I'd add that I've done the same thing but using
manually specified lat/long boundaries. The statement about "stay on
the page" is important, though.

Ed