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JFK Jr.'s mean ol wife
"-*-*-*-" wrote in message ... "I'm just a zero" wrote: I don't know *anyone* who has an instrument or night rating that hasn't had at least one close call due to their own stupidity. Don't think you should slate a guy simply 'cause he lucked out. JFK Jr. wasn't yet rated and he didn't have a close call; he died and took two people with him. The only positive is that his own criminal negligence killed him as well as his passengers. Roger. who only fly's VFR these days, and is happier for it Learn to punctuate and you'll be even happier. I'm adopting the modus operandi of the group :-) Roger. |
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JFK Jr. wasn't yet rated and he didn't have a close call; he died and took two people with him. The only positive is that his own criminal negligence killed him as well as his passengers. I wasn't aware that night flight required a rating...if we're gonna be literal in here lets go all the way. Roger. who only fly's VFR these days, and is happier for it Learn to punctuate and you'll be even happier. er...there's a difference between punctuation and spelling. |
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"Jeff Franks" wrote in message
... JFK Jr. wasn't yet rated and he didn't have a close call; he died and took two people with him. The only positive is that his own criminal negligence killed him as well as his passengers. I wasn't aware that night flight required a rating...if we're gonna be literal in here lets go all the way. Jesus, I make a comment and it's dissected by idiots. In Europe, a night qualification course is normally offered as an add on to the European JAR PPL, plus, you must have completed a night takeoff / landing within the previous 90 days if you intend to carry a passenger. YES I KNOW the accident occurred in Yankeeland. But why dump on a guy who paid the full price for his mistake? Roger. who only fly's VFR these days, and is happier for it Learn to punctuate and you'll be even happier. er...there's a difference between punctuation and spelling. I think his point was that my writing is becoming sloppy. An observation that's hard to dispute. Roger. |
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Jesus, I make a comment and it's dissected by idiots. In Europe, a night qualification course is normally offered as an add on to the European JAR PPL, plus, you must have completed a night takeoff / landing within the previous 90 days if you intend to carry a passenger. YES I KNOW the accident occurred in Yankeeland. But why dump on a guy who paid the full price for his mistake? Call off the dogs!!! lol.. I'm on YOUR side. My point actually had nothing to do with your comment and more to do with the constant over-correcting that goes on in the aviation NG's. (which leads to disclaimers like the following) Of course, being precise *IS* important and we should all try to do better. It seems all you have to do is make a comment that Air Force One is a 747 and you'll get 37 posts ranging from "Actually Air Force One is any U.S. Air Force aircraft that the President of the United States is on" to "Air Force One is a 747-400 s/n 1372683 in run A3Z". Who gives a flip!?!? Everyone knew what I meant. An outsider looking in would think we're all scared to death someone else might be smarter than us. I think his point was that my writing is becoming sloppy. An observation that's hard to dispute. No dispute, just my vain attempt at smart-assdom. |
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Jeff Franks wrote:
An outsider looking in would think we're all scared to death someone else might be smarter than us. ....than *we*. - Andrew, who simply could not resist |
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Jeff Franks wrote:
JFK Jr. wasn't yet rated and he didn't have a close call; he died and took two people with him. The only positive is that his own criminal negligence killed him as well as his passengers. I wasn't aware that night flight required a rating...if we're gonna be literal in here lets go all the way. Australia requires a rating to do night VFR. |
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Australia requires a rating to do night VFR. I have Australian and US certificates (well, license in Australia) and the Australian system is bureaucratic and simply discourages pilots from advancing and obtaining higher qualifications by adding layers of unnecessary cost. In the US a pilot is trained to do night landings and takeoffs, and needs to be proficient in night flying before obtaining a certificate - this is a better system by far than the Australian model which is a leftover of some inane British system. |
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"MC" wrote in message ... I wasn't aware that night flight required a rating...if we're gonna be literal in here lets go all the way. Australia requires a rating to do night VFR. Last I checked Martha's Vineyard was not part of Australia. |
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(-*-*-*-) wrote: "I'm just a zero" wrote: I don't know *anyone* who has an instrument or night rating that hasn't had at least one close call due to their own stupidity. Don't think you should slate a guy simply 'cause he lucked out. JFK Jr. wasn't yet rated and he didn't have a close call; he died and took two people with him. The only positive is that his own criminal negligence killed him as well as his passengers. Roger. who only fly's VFR these days, and is happier for it Learn to punctuate and you'll be even happier. First of all: there is NO such thing as a "night rating" in the US! Secondly: criminal? It could happen to ANY of us, under the right circumstances. JFK Jr's accident follows a classic pattern: 1. Pilot is under a lot of stress. a) His "George" magazine was failing. b) He was behind schedule because his pax were late. c) He was recovering from a leg injury. d) The visibility wasn't up to par. f) Night had fallen over the last part of the trip. e) He was probably tired, after a long day. 2. He flies, not realizing the effect that the stress has placed on his piloting skills/judgement. Just read the ASRS reports to see how these conditions can creep up on an otherwise proficient pilot and take heed! -- To get random signatures put text files into a folder called ³Random Signatures² into your Preferences folder. |
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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
news It could happen to ANY of us, under the right circumstances. There are very few accidents for which I don't feel that way, but I have to say JFK's was one of them. When I read about some guy doing barrel rolls 10 feet over the runway (Jeffco, Colorado a few years ago right as I was taxiing to take off) I don't really think there's much I can learn from it that I don't already know. Similarly, when a guy takes a single engine airplane VFR over miles and miles of ocean at night I can't really say it could've happened to any of us. I don't think I'd attempt to make his flight during the DAY let alone at night. If you're going to go to Martha's Vineyard in a single engine, you do it where you're going to be over water for three miles, not ten or twenty (whatever his farthest shore distance was going to work out to be). The man didn't deserve to die, especially not in such a terrible way, but what he did was really careless and more an example for Kennedys to learn from (they tend to think they are invincible) than the rest of us to learn from. It wasn't a flight where things slowly got out of hand. They got out of hand the second he decided to fly direct instead of staying along land. My personal wild guess is that he was acutely depressed and probably not worrying about his safety the way most of us would. I don't actually think he's actually as stupid as the accident would suggest. I just think he no longer cared so much and wasn't thinking very rationally or clearly. -Jonathan |
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