Quick question about an incident which happend today

Hi everyone,
I have a question for people who fly in CT, and NY often. Today I was
flying from Danbury (DXR) to Brookhaven (HWV). I flew out without incident.
Coming home I flew from Brookhaven direct to Calverton then to Bridgeport
then direct Danbury using a combination of my sectional chart and GPS as a
backup. The whole route was flown at 3,000 ft with the exception of takeoff
from Brookhaven and a decent about 8 miles to the south of Danbury. Upon
arrival ground control at Danbury gave me a phone number to contact NY
approach on. I called the number and was transferred to a controller who I
told my call sign the control accused me of flying through the Westchester
County Airports airspace at 2,800 ft. I was never within more then 20 Miles
of White Plains on my whole route. This is confirmed with my GPS which has
the tracked route stored in it and my by extensive knowledge of the area. I
also confirmed I was directly over Bridgeport and flew in-between the lakes
in the area if anyone is familiar with them. The controllers insisted it was
me and said he tracked me flying over Westchester, I'm absolutely positive I
was never in the area. He got alittle agitated when I told him I believed I
was correct and he just demanded it was me for sure. I'm just curious what
anyone else would do in this case. Another aircraft came into Danbury around
the same times from the south and I think this is a case of mistaken
identity and was accused of busting the class delta for no reason. Are there
any actions or steps I can take against being falsely accused?

Thanks,
Chris

Print out the route information from the GPS. Fill out a NASA form and
attach the print out.

Paul Davis

"Chris" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,
I have a question for people who fly in CT, and NY often. Today I was
flying from Danbury (DXR) to Brookhaven (HWV). I flew out without
incident.
Coming home I flew from Brookhaven direct to Calverton then to Bridgeport
then direct Danbury using a combination of my sectional chart and GPS as a
backup. The whole route was flown at 3,000 ft with the exception of
takeoff
from Brookhaven and a decent about 8 miles to the south of Danbury. Upon
arrival ground control at Danbury gave me a phone number to contact NY
approach on. I called the number and was transferred to a controller who I
told my call sign the control accused me of flying through the Westchester
County Airports airspace at 2,800 ft. I was never within more then 20
Miles
of White Plains on my whole route. This is confirmed with my GPS which has
the tracked route stored in it and my by extensive knowledge of the area.
I
also confirmed I was directly over Bridgeport and flew in-between the
lakes
in the area if anyone is familiar with them. The controllers insisted it
was
me and said he tracked me flying over Westchester, I'm absolutely positive
I
was never in the area. He got alittle agitated when I told him I believed
I
was correct and he just demanded it was me for sure. I'm just curious what
anyone else would do in this case. Another aircraft came into Danbury
around
the same times from the south and I think this is a case of mistaken
identity and was accused of busting the class delta for no reason. Are
there
any actions or steps I can take against being falsely accused?

Thanks,
Chris






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CORRECTION:

Hi everyone,

I have a question for people who fly in CT, and NY often. Today I was

flying from Danbury (DXR) to Brookhaven (HWV). I flew out without incident.

Coming home I flew from Brookhaven direct to Calverton then to Bridgeport

then direct Danbury using a combination of my sectional chart and GPS as a

backup. The whole route was flown at 3,000 ft with the exception of takeoff

from Brookhaven and a decent about 8 miles to the south of Danbury. Upon

arrival ground control at Danbury gave me a phone number to contact NY

approach on. I called the number and was transferred to a controller who I

told my call sign the control accused me of flying through the Westchester

County Airports airspace at 2,800 ft. I was never any closer than 15 Miles

of White Plains on my whole route. This is confirmed with my GPS which has

the tracked route stored in it and my by extensive knowledge of the area. I

also confirmed I was directly over Bridgeport and flew in-between the lakes

in the area if anyone is familiar with them. The controllers insisted it was

me and said he tracked me flying over Westchester, I'm absolutely positive I

was never in the area. He got alittle agitated when I told him I believed I

was correct and he just demanded it was me for sure. I'm just curious what

anyone else would do in this case. Another aircraft came into Danbury around

the same times from the south and I think this is a case of mistaken

identity and was accused of busting the class delta for no reason. Are there

any actions or steps I can take against being falsely accused?

Thanks,

Chris

"Chris" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,
I have a question for people who fly in CT, and NY often. Today I was
flying from Danbury (DXR) to Brookhaven (HWV). I flew out without
incident.
Coming home I flew from Brookhaven direct to Calverton then to Bridgeport
then direct Danbury using a combination of my sectional chart and GPS as a
backup. The whole route was flown at 3,000 ft with the exception of
takeoff
from Brookhaven and a decent about 8 miles to the south of Danbury. Upon
arrival ground control at Danbury gave me a phone number to contact NY
approach on. I called the number and was transferred to a controller who I
told my call sign the control accused me of flying through the Westchester
County Airports airspace at 2,800 ft. I was never within more then 20
Miles
of White Plains on my whole route. This is confirmed with my GPS which has
the tracked route stored in it and my by extensive knowledge of the area.
I
also confirmed I was directly over Bridgeport and flew in-between the
lakes
in the area if anyone is familiar with them. The controllers insisted it
was
me and said he tracked me flying over Westchester, I'm absolutely positive
I
was never in the area. He got alittle agitated when I told him I believed
I
was correct and he just demanded it was me for sure. I'm just curious what
anyone else would do in this case. Another aircraft came into Danbury
around
the same times from the south and I think this is a case of mistaken
identity and was accused of busting the class delta for no reason. Are
there
any actions or steps I can take against being falsely accused?

Thanks,
Chris

Save the ground track on your GPS, if it has one...
File an incident report...
Join AOPA in the morning and take out their legal insurance...
If you hear anything further from the feds do not answer any questions,
refer them to your lawyer...
denny

"Chris" wrote in message
...
CORRECTION:

Hi everyone,

I have a question for people who fly in CT, and NY often. Today I was

flying from Danbury (DXR) to Brookhaven (HWV). I flew out without
incident.

Coming home I flew from Brookhaven direct to Calverton then to Bridgeport

then direct Danbury using a combination of my sectional chart and GPS as a

backup. The whole route was flown at 3,000 ft with the exception of
takeoff

from Brookhaven and a decent about 8 miles to the south of Danbury. Upon

arrival ground control at Danbury gave me a phone number to contact NY

approach on. I called the number and was transferred to a controller who I

told my call sign the control accused me of flying through the Westchester

County Airports airspace at 2,800 ft. I was never any closer than 15 Miles

of White Plains on my whole route. This is confirmed with my GPS which has

the tracked route stored in it and my by extensive knowledge of the area.
I

also confirmed I was directly over Bridgeport and flew in-between the
lakes

in the area if anyone is familiar with them. The controllers insisted it
was

me and said he tracked me flying over Westchester, I'm absolutely positive
I

was never in the area. He got alittle agitated when I told him I believed
I

was correct and he just demanded it was me for sure. I'm just curious what

anyone else would do in this case. Another aircraft came into Danbury
around

the same times from the south and I think this is a case of mistaken

identity and was accused of busting the class delta for no reason. Are
there

any actions or steps I can take against being falsely accused?

Thanks,

Chris

"Chris" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,
I have a question for people who fly in CT, and NY often. Today I
was
flying from Danbury (DXR) to Brookhaven (HWV). I flew out without
incident.
Coming home I flew from Brookhaven direct to Calverton then to
Bridgeport
then direct Danbury using a combination of my sectional chart and GPS as
a
backup. The whole route was flown at 3,000 ft with the exception of
takeoff
from Brookhaven and a decent about 8 miles to the south of Danbury. Upon
arrival ground control at Danbury gave me a phone number to contact NY
approach on. I called the number and was transferred to a controller who
I
told my call sign the control accused me of flying through the
Westchester
County Airports airspace at 2,800 ft. I was never within more then 20
Miles
of White Plains on my whole route. This is confirmed with my GPS which
has
the tracked route stored in it and my by extensive knowledge of the
area.
I
also confirmed I was directly over Bridgeport and flew in-between the
lakes
in the area if anyone is familiar with them. The controllers insisted it
was
me and said he tracked me flying over Westchester, I'm absolutely
positive
I
was never in the area. He got alittle agitated when I told him I
believed
I
was correct and he just demanded it was me for sure. I'm just curious
what
anyone else would do in this case. Another aircraft came into Danbury
around
the same times from the south and I think this is a case of mistaken
identity and was accused of busting the class delta for no reason. Are
there
any actions or steps I can take against being falsely accused?

Thanks,
Chris

Oh, and most importantly, never, never, never talk to atc unless you are
absolutely forced to do so... I haven't looked at the sectional for your
area so you may have had to talk woth them the entire way, but in the future
always plan your flying so that you only use atc to get into or out of
controlled airspace, and then immediately cancel and go back to squawking
1200... They are NOT your friend...
denny

"Chris" wrote in message
...

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...

Oh, and most importantly, never, never, never talk to atc unless you are
absolutely forced to do so... I haven't looked at the sectional for your
area so you may have had to talk woth them the entire way, but in the
future always plan your flying so that you only use atc to get into or out
of controlled airspace, and then immediately cancel and go back to
squawking 1200... They are NOT your friend...


In your uninformed opinion.

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote:
Oh, and most importantly, never, never, never talk to atc
unless you are absolutely forced to do so...They are
NOT your friend...

Dang, Denny, that's pretty harsh.

I don't share your view, but you've got a lot more time than I, so I
must suppose you base that opinion on experience. Care to share it?
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

Dan Luke wrote:

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote:
Oh, and most importantly, never, never, never talk to atc

unless you are absolutely forced to do so...They are
NOT your friend...


Dang, Denny, that's pretty harsh.

I don't share your view, but you've got a lot more time than I, so I
must suppose you base that opinion on experience. Care to share it?


No he doesn't, that's just ignorance.

Uhhh, don't have anything to share, Dan... Never had any kind of a dust up
with them, and I firmly intend to keep it that way - especially, now that
they are in their post 9/11 hang the GA *******s, mode...
However, some six decades of watching other poor *******s give up their
ticket has been enlightening...

First, I flew when talking to anyone on the radio was a special event...
And I managed to blunder my way around the country without their 'help' and
I still can... Second, ATC is of no use to a VFR flight, so putting yor
tail number in the front of their minds is a no win scenario for you - you
don't get an attaboy for not making an error, and you get hung if they even
suspect that was you who clipped their airspace...
Third, the airspace has become so complex, especially with TFR's popping up
all over the place every time some sports team decides to play, or some
promoter puts on an auto race, that your odds of breaking the "rules" is way
higher than you can calculate...

Example: The controller will not tell you that XYZ University is playing
that day he doesn't have a clue as you blithely fly overhead with vfr
flight following, but he will use your recorded radar track/tail-number to
hang you after the fact - so why in the heck, would you deliberately set
yourself up like that? It boggles my mind... Do you also sit on your seat
belt and pet rattlesnakes?

denny

"Dan Luke" wrote in I
must suppose you base that opinion on experience. Care to share it?

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...

Uhhh, don't have anything to share, Dan... Never had any kind of a dust
up
with them, and I firmly intend to keep it that way - especially, now that
they are in their post 9/11 hang the GA *******s, mode...
However, some six decades of watching other poor *******s give up their
ticket has been enlightening...

First, I flew when talking to anyone on the radio was a special event...
And I managed to blunder my way around the country without their 'help'
and
I still can... Second, ATC is of no use to a VFR flight, so putting yor
tail number in the front of their minds is a no win scenario for you - you
don't get an attaboy for not making an error, and you get hung if they
even
suspect that was you who clipped their airspace...
Third, the airspace has become so complex, especially with TFR's popping
up
all over the place every time some sports team decides to play, or some
promoter puts on an auto race, that your odds of breaking the "rules" is
way
higher than you can calculate...

Example: The controller will not tell you that XYZ University is playing
that day he doesn't have a clue as you blithely fly overhead with vfr
flight following, but he will use your recorded radar track/tail-number to
hang you after the fact - so why in the heck, would you deliberately set
yourself up like that? It boggles my mind... Do you also sit on your
seat
belt and pet rattlesnakes?


How is it you were able to fly so long and learn so little about aviation?