For Keith Willshaw...

The empire was an idea who's time had past, Britains
didnt want to be the slavemasters of the world.

Really?,I think the British empire officially ended during Suez crisis when US
told British rather unexpectedly (at least for the Brits) "stay at home or
else".
US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire

Till Suez crisis Brits hoped that US might want to forget second goal,but US
had other plans.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
The empire was an idea who's time had past, Britains
didnt want to be the slavemasters of the world.

Really?,I think the British empire officially ended during Suez crisis
when US
told British rather unexpectedly (at least for the Brits) "stay at home or
else".

Hardly, Egypt had been grantd full independence before
Suez, the intervention was over Egyptian nationlisation
of the canal. Just as the US has intervened to protect
the Panama canal

US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire


ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor

Till Suez crisis Brits hoped that US might want to forget second goal,but
US
had other plans.

You are fantasizing again I fear

By the time of Suez, India and Pakistan were independent
and the remaining colonies were already in the
process of getting independence. The time table for
Malayan and Singaporean Independence was
agreed in 1955 for example.

Keith




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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"Denyav" wrote in message
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US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire


ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor

Keith
=---

Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader
political goals.

BTW the killing of their own or allowing others to kill Americans to
realize broder political goals is a traditional American PSYOP and
usually it works.

Remember Maine
Remember Pearl Harbor
Remember 9/11

"denyav" wrote in message
om...
"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
...
"Denyav" wrote in message
...
US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire


ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor

Keith
=---

Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader
political goals.


Yeah right, sending the message to Pearl that started
'This message is to be considered a war warning'
is real proof of that huh ?

Sheesh what a maroon, what an ultra-maroon

Keith




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From: (denyav)


"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
...
"Denyav" wrote in message
...
US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire


ISTR a little matter of revenging Pearl Harbor

Keith
=---

Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader
political goals.

Prove it.

BTW the killing of their own or allowing others to kill Americans to
realize broder political goals is a traditional American PSYOP and
usually it works.

Remember Maine

The Maine explosion was known at the time to have been a coal bunker explosion
not a mine or act of aggression.

Remember Pearl Harbor
Remember 9/11

Your theory only holds water if the U.S. had lead the agressors to believe the
attack would be welcome. I defy you to prove this was the case.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Den wrote:

Pearl Harbor was only allowed to happen to realize above given broader
political goals.

Allow a major part of our fleet to be damaged or sunk, lose countless bases and
thousands of POWs and civilians in the Pacific to the Japanese, in order to do
*what* to Hitler? He declared war on us, not the other way around. Does your
statement make sense to you?

BTW the killing of their own or allowing others to kill Americans to
realize broder political goals is a traditional American PSYOP and
usually it works.

Remember Maine

A century old accident in a powder magazine is still providing grist for
rumor-mongers? Goebbels would be so proud.

Remember Pearl Harbor

We do. Its been dissected and examined under thousands of literary microscopes
- and you know what? It was the Japanese that attacked us. Who knew?

Remember 9/11

I remember it well. Not your version of it, but what really happened. People
who hated us used our open society to their advantage and made us pay greatly
for our previous freedoms. No where during that event was there any occurance
that match your criteria of Americans killing Americans for political gain.

Gordon

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
The empire was an idea who's time had past, Britains
didnt want to be the slavemasters of the world.

Really?,I think the British empire officially ended during Suez crisis
when US
told British rather unexpectedly (at least for the Brits) "stay at home or
else".
US engagement in WWII had two goals:
1)Defeating Nazi Germany
2)Destroying British Empire

Till Suez crisis Brits hoped that US might want to forget second goal,but
US
had other plans.

US engagement in WW2 was in response to an attack just before a declaration
of war by Japan and another attack just after a declaration of war by
Germany.

Please read some history.

US engagement in WW2 was in response to an attack just before a declaration
of war by Japan and another attack just after a declaration of war by
Germany.


1)If you read some history,you must know that FDR was very eager for US
engagement.
2)If you read history you must also know that that FDR promised the nation not
enter war unless attacked (a requirement of domestic politics)

A solution to satisfy two contradictionary requirements=The Pearl Harbor trap

Pearl Harbor was only one of US (Union) vaccination operations.
Short history of US (Union) is full of such operations ,like
Ft.Sumter,Maine,Pearl Harbor,9/11 you name it.

If Hitler'd won the war , Nazi version of Reichstag fire would be the official
version.period.

Reading history from the books is by no means enough,one must learn to "read"
events themselves.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
US engagement in WW2 was in response to an attack just before a
declaration
of war by Japan and another attack just after a declaration of war by
Germany.


1)If you read some history,you must know that FDR was very eager for US
engagement.
2)If you read history you must also know that that FDR promised the nation
not
enter war unless attacked (a requirement of domestic politics)

A solution to satisfy two contradictionary requirements=The Pearl Harbor
trap

and so you head off into the land of the lunatics.


Pearl Harbor was only one of US (Union) vaccination operations.
Short history of US (Union) is full of such operations ,like
Ft.Sumter,Maine,Pearl Harbor,9/11 you name it.

If Hitler'd won the war , Nazi version of Reichstag fire would be the
official
version.period.

Reading history from the books is by no means enough,one must learn to
"read"
events themselves.

Or to put another way, paranoid dip****s like yourself learn to "read"
anything that matches your delusions into being "truth".

What an "interesting" world you must inhabit, where your totally unsupported
opinion = "truth".

The other name for that condition is "insanity".

Subject: For Keith Willshaw...
From: (Denyav)
Date: 6/10/2004 9:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

US engagement in WW2 was in response to an attack just before a declaration
of war by Japan and another attack just after a declaration of war by
Germany.


1)If you read some history,you must know that FDR was very eager for US
engagement.
2)If you read history you must also know that that FDR promised the nation
not
enter war unless attacked (a requirement of domestic politics)

A solution to satisfy two contradictionary requirements=The Pearl Harbor trap

Pearl Harbor was only one of US (Union) vaccination operations.
Short history of US (Union) is full of such operations ,like
Ft.Sumter,Maine,Pearl Harbor,9/11 you name it.

If Hitler'd won the war , Nazi version of Reichstag fire would be the
official
version.period.etter yet,haave been there.

Reading history from the books is by no means enough,one must learn to "read"
events themselves.

Or better yet,have been there.