Australia F111 to be scrapped!!

"Dave Kearton" wrote in
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"David Bromage" wrote in message
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John Cook wrote:
Hmmm. not really, the F18's are used on deployment occaisionally,
the
F111 were hanger queens, Were they ever used??? anywhere!, it would
have been a perfect deployment to Iraq to test there capabilities
and provide real world combat training.

They might be used in the war against North Korea.

Cheers
David




You have to pick your wars carefully. Whichever engagement uses our
F-111s will probably use all of the remaining airframe life.

Exactly, they are somewhat constrained in the flight profiles already.

Limiting airframe hours applies to many Australian aircraft (not to mention
most defence forces). Those helo's that went to E.Timpor did a combined
11000 AFHRS (media release). Now how many helos were actually there? Do the
calculations and that's still a lot of AFHRS, particular hours that weren't
planned for (but thats the nature of defence).

Long hours, high speeds, dodging SAMs with a full load, will render
the
pigs good for pole duty on their return.

I'll take one for the front yard.

Same thing happened to the Victor K2s after the Falklands.

Yup, and they were juggling hours on those Vulcans as well.

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"David Bromage" wrote in message
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The Raven wrote:
Yes, F-111's have been used numerous times. Vietnam for starters.

Not by RAAF. They came too late for Vietnam.

Oops, you're probably right. I was thinking of the US trials with them.


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"Hobo" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Dave Kearton" wrote:

You have to pick your wars carefully. Whichever engagement uses
our
F-111s will probably use all of the remaining airframe life.

I think the potential use the Aussies want to save the F-111 for is to
sink an Indonesian invasion fleet by air launching Harpoon missles.

Most Americans don't know this, but the Indos believe it is their
manifest destiny to absorb Australia.

Its pretty unlikely that Indonesia could put together a credible invasion
force in the next 10 years or so.

Even if they could its faster and cheaper to buy/build cruise missiles/ASMs
than it is to buy/build an invasion fleet.

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:29:07 -0800, Hobo wrote:

In article ,
"Dave Kearton" wrote:

You have to pick your wars carefully. Whichever engagement uses our
F-111s will probably use all of the remaining airframe life.

I think the potential use the Aussies want to save the F-111 for is to
sink an Indonesian invasion fleet by air launching Harpoon missles.

Most Americans don't know this, but the Indos believe it is their
manifest destiny to absorb Australia.

Its that you Carlo? :-)

Cheers
John Cook

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"John Cook" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:29:07 -0800, Hobo wrote:

In article ,
"Dave Kearton" wrote:

You have to pick your wars carefully. Whichever engagement uses
our
F-111s will probably use all of the remaining airframe life.

I think the potential use the Aussies want to save the F-111 for is to
sink an Indonesian invasion fleet by air launching Harpoon missles.

Most Americans don't know this, but the Indos believe it is their
manifest destiny to absorb Australia.

Its that you Carlo? :-)

Cheers
John Cook


Probably not, but if you listened very, very carefully to the original press
conference, that dull thud that you hear in the background was Carlo
gritting his teeth so hard that his scrotum exploded...

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:49:48 +1100, "L'acrobat" wrote:


"Hobo" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Dave Kearton" wrote:

You have to pick your wars carefully. Whichever engagement uses
our
F-111s will probably use all of the remaining airframe life.

I think the potential use the Aussies want to save the F-111 for is to
sink an Indonesian invasion fleet by air launching Harpoon missles.

Most Americans don't know this, but the Indos believe it is their
manifest destiny to absorb Australia.

Its pretty unlikely that Indonesia could put together a credible invasion
force in the next 10 years or so.

Even if they could its faster and cheaper to buy/build cruise missiles/ASMs
than it is to buy/build an invasion fleet.


You need boots on the ground. Cruise missiles, etc, can help, but the cannot
invade. Australia is (IMHO) counting on the US to come to the rescue. That
is not a bad assumption, as we would not let the Indos take Oz.

Al Minyard

"L'acrobat" wrote in message
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"John Cook" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:29:07 -0800, Hobo wrote:

In article ,
"Dave Kearton" wrote:

You have to pick your wars carefully. Whichever engagement
uses our
F-111s will probably use all of the remaining airframe life.

I think the potential use the Aussies want to save the F-111 for is to
sink an Indonesian invasion fleet by air launching Harpoon missles.

Most Americans don't know this, but the Indos believe it is their
manifest destiny to absorb Australia.

Its that you Carlo? :-)

Probably not, but if you listened very, very carefully to the original
press
conference, that dull thud that you hear in the background was Carlo
gritting his teeth so hard that his scrotum exploded...

After trolling Janes on e-bombs, I have to wonder how Oz could afford Carlo
any credibility.

"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
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Even if they could its faster and cheaper to buy/build cruise
missiles/ASMs
than it is to buy/build an invasion fleet.


You need boots on the ground. Cruise missiles, etc, can help, but the
cannot
invade. Australia is (IMHO) counting on the US to come to the rescue. That
is not a bad assumption, as we would not let the Indos take Oz.

Australia has boots on the ground.

There is no credible invasion threat to Australia and an attempt to build
one would be easily detected.

It would require massive airpower (including AWACS and tankers), serious
amounts of AAW escorts and ASW escorts, a huge logistic support organisation
(land and sea) and then a large, deliverable Army and the means to deliver
it to Aust.

None of which Indonesia has.

In the case of invasion or attack Australia would call on its allies just
like the US did, but Australia already has the means to deal with any
credible invasion/raid of Aust and it seems likely that if Indonesia began
to scale up the sort of forces that would be needed to invade Aust, Aust
would start to scale up the forces needed to prevent it.

"L'acrobat" wrote in message
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"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
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Even if they could its faster and cheaper to buy/build cruise
missiles/ASMs
than it is to buy/build an invasion fleet.


You need boots on the ground. Cruise missiles, etc, can help, but the
cannot
invade. Australia is (IMHO) counting on the US to come to the rescue.
That
is not a bad assumption, as we would not let the Indos take Oz.

Australia has boots on the ground.

There is no credible invasion threat to Australia and an attempt to build
one would be easily detected.

It would require massive airpower (including AWACS and tankers), serious
amounts of AAW escorts and ASW escorts, a huge logistic support
organisation
(land and sea) and then a large, deliverable Army and the means to deliver
it to Aust.

None of which Indonesia has.

In the case of invasion or attack Australia would call on its allies just
like the US did, but Australia already has the means to deal with any
credible invasion/raid of Aust and it seems likely that if Indonesia began
to scale up the sort of forces that would be needed to invade Aust, Aust
would start to scale up the forces needed to prevent it.

I suspect India is the only credible threat to Oz and at the rate India's
economy is growing they could just buy as much desert as they want.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"L'acrobat" wrote in message
I suspect India is the only credible threat to Oz and at the rate India's
economy is growing they could just buy as much desert as they want.

Careful, the answer will be (from L'xxxxx) They lack the ships (just like
Japan) :-)